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To: Dale Knipschield who wrote (18291)	1/17/2001 8:37:37 PM
From: Starlight	Respond to of 60323

Today I got an offer for a free digital camera from Earthlink. (You have to use their service for 3 mos. to get the free camera -- otherwise be billed $89.) I was wondering if anyone here has taken that offer, and whether the camera was worthwhile. The promotional material doesn't say if it uses removable flash, but I have a feeling it doesn't. One picture shows the camera and a cable next to it. If anyone can provide any info, I'd appreciate it. Betty

To: Dale Knipschield who wrote (18291)	1/18/2001 9:02:45 AM
From: J.B.C.	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 60323

>>Its really kind of sad about Kodak. Thousands of people employed there...<< I proposed to the girl next to me during our Commencement from Penn State Engineering School back in the '70's. She was a friend through college and she had a real NICE offer from KODAK, I told her with that kind of money I'd stay home and raise the kids. True Story, but really tounge-in-cheek proposal.....oh and she turned me down. I hope that she went on to bigger and better things. Jim

To: Dale Knipschield who wrote (18291)	1/18/2001 6:07:40 PM
From: Art Bechhoefer	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 60323

"conventional photography will never be completely replaced because of its permanency" Dale, while I have notice the fading on my digital prints, I think that is a temporary situation that will eventually be corrected. The question is whether a digital image stored, say, on a CD or other archival storage will outlast a conventional film image. Heck, you can always make a new print as long as the digital image doesn't deteriorate. I would point out that the reverse of what you said is true. Kodak is not becoming another Xerox. It looks as if Xerox will become another Kodak, but the problems of the two companies are really not all that related. In the case of Kodak, the company has been literally taken over by managers intent on providing jobs for friends and acquaintences, placing a lower priority on competence, skills, and merit. You have a situation where managers spend too much time and energy looking out for their own future, regardless of the consequences to the company and its shareholders. In the case of Xerox, the company operations in Rochester, NY are managed by long distance from the head office in Stamford, CT. That is a prescription for failure because the executives don't have enough hands on experience with day-to-day manufacturing and selling. Xerox changed its headquarters many years ago when it began to think that financing, insurance, and other similar activities should get more priority than manufacturing copiers. After about a dozen years of this long distance management, other companies like Canon, Ricoh, Konica, etc., began to cut into the lower end of the business (which is the fastest growing part). It still hasn't occurred to many of the Connecticut based Xerox executives that other company products, particularly at the low and medium priced parts of the market are simply less expensive and work better. One possible benefit is that housing in the Rochester area is quite inexpensive, given all the downsizing going on. Art