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To: MulhollandDrive who wrote (1728)	1/19/2001 5:18:10 PM
From: epicure	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 82486

It would seem impossible to norm the child violence data because most men do not have primary responsibility for raising children- especially infants. It would be interesting if it were possible to compare- but unfortunately in our culture a man who stays home to care for the kids is already going to be skewing the statistics by the mere fact that he is staying home to care for the kids. It's too bad. It would be interesting if they could force 1000 men chosen at random and 1000 women to stay home- and then see who has the greatest incidence of abuse to the children.

To: MulhollandDrive who wrote (1728)	1/20/2001 8:22:11 AM
From: Poet	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 82486

Hi bp, It's nice to see you here. You posted some good and very provocative articles yesterday and I'm just getting caught up. About this: The overwhelming body of research points to parity between men and women as perpetrators of intimate violence, yet in their review, Eisenstat and Bancroft cite selectively a small number of articles to bolster the notion that domestic violence is an exercise of male oppression. Most research demonstrates that the rates are roughly equal and that women are more likely to initiate violence than men. (1) The article perpetuates the false notion that men constitute the majority of child abusers, even though federal statistics clearly show that women are the perpetrators of almost 61 percent of child abuse. Women are the perpetrators of 55.3 percent of physical abuse, 71.9 percent of neglect, 78.3 percent of medical neglect, and 57 percent of emotional abuse. Men constitute the majority of perpetrators only of sexual abuse (71.5 percent), but sexual abuse accounts for only 15.3 percent of child abuse. The point that much child abuse is perpetrated on young children by their own mothers is terribly important, IMO. When I first read the stats, I immediately wondered how many of those incidents involved mothers with post-partum depression, particularly infant murders ans attempted murders. Not an excuse, God forbid, it just made me wonder. Something else that comes to mind when I read article like this is: what are these writers using as definitions of terms like "child abuse"? Even as an abuse survivor, I am concerned that the pendulum has swung too far in the direction of too broad a definition. I remember an incident where a friend of mine scolded her child for a wrongdoing and escorted the child to her bedroom. The child dialed 911 and told the police that she was being abused. And finally, I believe this discussion began when someone asked the question about allowing gay men to be Boy Scout leaders. The discussion became focused on whether gay men were more likely to sexually abuse children than straight men. From the data X posted, it appears that men in general are more likely to sexually abuse others, that straight men are more likely to sexually abuse than gay men, and that white men are more likely to sexually abuse than men of color.