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To: Dayuhan who wrote (1804)	1/20/2001 8:51:10 AM
From: Poet	Respond to of 82486

Hi Steven, I agree completely with your points on statistics. I taught stats to undergraduates a number of years ago and we spent a fair amount of time on the topic of how they often reveal more about the researcher than the research. And E, I loved that article you just posted too.

To: Dayuhan who wrote (1804)	1/20/2001 12:09:56 PM
From: hobo	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 82486

My gut feeling is that these studies prove very little about child abuse, and a great deal about the difficulty of drawing reliable information from statistics. i found this page that supports what you said: btw. inside that web page there is a link to the hunger site. (smart way to attract people to that site). ____________________________________________________ jimhopper.com Approximately one in six boys is sexually abused before age 16. Preface Contents Most abused and neglected children never come to the attention of authorities. This is especially true of sexually abused children: there may be no physical signs of harm, there is always intense shame, and secrecy is often maintained, even by adults who know of the abuse, for fear of destroying a family. Therefore, the statistics on "substantiated" cases of child abuse and neglect are collected by the US Department of Health and Human Services are not indicative of actual rates of child abuse in the United States. The best, though far from perfect, estimates of the prevalence of child abuse come from research studies that ask adults to remember and report such experiences (these are less effective for neglect, which is very difficult to operationalize for retrospective research). Because I have conducted research on child sexual abuse, and statistics on its prevalence are sources of great misunderstanding and controversy in the US, this page focuses on that form of child abuse. Finally, because research on the physical and sexual abuse of male children is my area of expertise, and the sexual abuse of males is virtually unacknowledged throughout the world, this page focuses mostly on that research. ------------------------------------------------------------ one thing that i would be interested in learning is what steps are being taken to prevent these events from happening again. at least reduce the number of events. stats. studying and keeping is fine but if no proposal or measure is taken to prevent it, i see little use for the effort. it becomes record keeping with no proposed solution. one thing that comes to my mind is sex education in school perhaps could help, particularly if that education at one point would integrate the parents. (i have no idea if this is done at all). more: <snip> Approximately one in six boys is sexually abused before age 16. The following review is grouped into three sections, according to the sample studied: Male college students. Men from an identified community. Men receiving mental health services. As noted above, please keep in mind: All of the rates below are likely to be underestimates of the actual prevalence of the sexual abuse of boys in our society. Why? There is evidence emerging that as many as one in three incidents of child sexual abuse are not remembered by adults who experienced them, and that the younger the child was at the time of the abuse, and the closer the relationship to the abuser, the more likely one is not to remember. <snip> ________________________________ i found (at the bottom of this page), a "prevention plan" for parents as a guideline in order to prevent the event from happening (of course this is no help if the parent is the abuser) aap.org for the record: i am not a victim of any sort of abuse whatsoever. i had a happy childhood. the only possible sort of abuse i could have received was being exposed to religion, however i quickly dealt with it, so the abuse was relatively short lived. which makes me wonder if the way religion treats sex, as a taboo, could make sex education more difficult. hence an indirect way for child sex abuse to be more difficult to prevent. this link: jimhopper.com is part of the first site. about: "the issue of memory" that i could not access... i would have liked to read more on that, as i find interesting how the mind seems to deal with this sort of thing, i assume it involves some sort of memory loss in order to forget the event. therefore making the research and prevention of the event, even more difficult.

To: Dayuhan who wrote (1804)	1/20/2001 12:26:10 PM
From: hobo	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 82486

Steven... i hope you are ok... was this a peaceful event or ?? Arroyo takes office after Estrada is removed By Hugh Williamson in Manila and FT.com staff Published: January 19 2001 20:38GMT \| Last Updated: January 20 2001 14:49GMT Gloria Macapagal Arroyo was sworn in as the Philippines' new president on Saturday after Joseph Estrada was stripped of his title by the country's supreme court, ending weeks of political uncertainty sparked by a corruption scandal and impeachment proceedings. With thousands of demonstrators closing in on the presidential palace, and Mr Estrada apparently still inside, a provincial governor, Jose Lina of Laguna province, announced he had resigned. Ms Arroyo, Mr Estrada's vice-president and constitutional successor, was sworn in by a Supreme Court justice minutes later. Immediately afterwards in a press conference, Ms Arroyo named former senator Alberto Romulo as secretary of finance. Mr Estrada's removal was the climax of days of dramatic political upheaval in Manila, during which first the military and then almost the entire cabinet resigned or switched allegiance to Ms Arroyo. news.ft.com Nothing like waking up to a new government on a January 20th eh ?.... Do you think there are "parallels" with "US" -GG- _______________________________ LOL !! from the same article: Earlier, aircraft were said to be waiting at an airbase near Manila to fly Mr Estrada to asylum in the US, although the president's spokesman denied the president had a plan to leave the country. Following his removal, a local radio station quoted Mr Estrada as saying he would not leave the Philippines, but "will live and die in this country." In the hours leading up to his departure, Mr Estrada was reported to be almost alone, a forlorn figure. A friend described the President as sad, and said he had asked, "Where do you think I have failed the Filipino people?" The events of Friday and early Saturday came after days of nationwide street protests following the collapse on Wednesday of the impeachment trial of Mr Estrada, in which he denied receiving bribes and hoarding millions of dollars in ill-gotten wealth. An estimated 500,000 anti-Estrada protesters rallied and danced to live bands into the night at a church shrine in central Manila, the centre of political events earlier in the day. Many Filipinos drew parallels with the mass "people power" uprising in 1986 that overthrew former dictator Ferdinand Marcos. The Philippines has a population of 71.4m, making it the eighth largest Asian nation. history does repeat itself.