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To: Rolla Coasta who wrote (698)	1/21/2001 9:42:58 PM
From: Hawkmoon	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 23908

They were more pragmatic than the Chinese counterpart because they had learnt past mistakes and suffered from the bad system in Europe. Well considering the bungling of the Chinese communists and the "bad system" they inflicted on their nation since 1949, I would suggest that Chinese farmers may actually be MORE pragmatic that their US counterparts. If your argument is that suffering and adversity breeds character, I can't imagine a class of people who would possess more. Your argument is pretty bourgeois in its tone.... Are you sure you're on the right side? The Chinese farmers are hard-working, but they mostly know nothing about the politics abroad and even in their own country. Amazing how similar China and the US actually are.... Few of our people truly understand the issues either. But the fact that they now have the ability to vote means that the politicians are forced to educate them and gain their support, if only to a minimal level. And remember, when the US constitution was first written, only landed gentry could vote (property owners who couldn't fathom letting the dumb farmers vote at that particular time). Gradually though, suffrage was granted to all men through the 14th amendment and eventually to women in 1920 with the 19th amendment. Let me repeat that... at the founding of our nation, only property owners were generally able to vote. And that is during a time in history where that status was considered justifiable. It wasn't until after fighting a civil war that remains the most bloody in US history, that they got around to constitutionally guaranteeing the right to vote of the poor uneducated farmers who the bourgeoisie sent off to fight and die. But in China, not even property owners can vote, because you don't have elections. We're not talking about uneducated farmers, but educated business men and women who own shops, businesses, or land (or does the Chinese government still officially own all the land in China?) Thus, the fact that you only permit communist party members to decide the fate the entire nation rings rather hollow given that even educated folks aren't permitted to vote. It would be tantamount to only allowing Democrats to vote in the US... (cccrrrringging at the thought) Some of them don't even know how to read & write a single Chinese character, even though they are Chinese. So much for the proletariat deriving any benefit from a communist government. Do you know what the literacy rate in Taiwan is? 94% Qpk... 94% of Taiwanese can read and write. Are you telling me that the communist revolution in China has failed to teach 900 million of its proletariat how to read and write? What a dismal failure... If your leaders were Japanese, they would be taking their samurai swords in hand and "doing the right thing" in order to erase this incredible humiliation. 900 million of them could swim across the Pacific Ocean and into the US The US has a long history of chinese immigration (which, by default, means there is a long history of EMIGRATION FROM CHINA). Why is that? Bring them over, if they can pay their own way and speak english, as well as show a viable skill we need. It's better than your military and organized criminals shoving them in shipping containers as indentured servants and sex slaves for your criminals who are established over here. If Islamic fundamentalist militant groups were sitting next to US border, and they threaten us simply by holy decrees, Where have you been? Have you forgotten the bombing of our marine and air force barracks, the taking of hostages in Iran (with the failed rescur mission), the bombing of US aircraft with tremendous loss of life, the bombing of our ships in harbors?? Have you forgotten how the Arabs cut our oil supplies off in the '70s for supporting Israel against Arab aggression? But maybe, just maybe the Urghurs are just a bit upset that you've killed some 200,000 of them in what seems tantamount to genocide. It sounds to me like the Chinese are more of a threat TO THEM, than they are to you. Democracy is good for educated people, like us. So does that mean you've actually voted in an election in China? But a democracy without a central govt control is an anarchy. You, my friend, have a knack for the obvious... Must be derived from that elitist bourgeois education you enjoyed. Regards, Ron