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Politics : Right Wing Extremist Thread -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: PROLIFE who wrote (3677)	1/28/2001 9:09:25 AM
From: Ish	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 59480

Pardons for votes, from Bortz- AND NOW WE HAVE THIS SLEAZY PARDON CONTROVERSY ….. OK, so he pardoned his brother. He pardoned some of the people who lied to save his sorry ass. He pardoned at least one former sex partner. He pardoned people who refused a lawful order to testify in one of the many corruption cases against him. He pardoned big campaign contributors. He pardoned people who stole money from the taxpayers of the United States --- and never paid a penny back Let’s start this tale with three Hasidic Jewish communities in New York State. All three of these communities are in Rockland County. The three communities are named Kiryas Joel, Kaser and New Square. So --- how did these communities vote in the New York senatorial election? Well, the villiages of Kiryas Joel and Kaser went for Rick Lazio, by a total of 3,480 vote to just 152 for Queen Hillary. But what about New Square? Well, things were different there. New Square went for Hillary by a vote of 1,359 to 10. OK --- something just a bit weird here, wouldn’t you say? Three almost identical Hasidic Jewish communities in one New York County. Each with about 1500-1700 voters. Two of these communities vote overwhelmingly for Rick Lazio for Senate. The other votes almost totally for Hillary. Well, you say, --- maybe these communities aren’t so alike after all? Something sure seems a bit odd. You’re right. They aren’t exactly alike. In 1999 one of these communities lost four of it’s local leaders to a federal prison. There names were Jacob Elbaum, Kalmen Stern, Benjamin Berger and David Goldstein. And just why were they in federal prison? Well, could it be because they were convicted of stealing about $40 million dollars from the taxpayers of the United States? The money was from federal student loan, business and housing funds. Did they do it? Yeah! They freely admit they did, but they say they did it to benefit the community not for their own personal benefit. Now – it seems that the leaders of this particular Hasidic community invited New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani to visit while his senatorial candidacy was alive. They promised Giuliani their complete support in the upcoming election if he would do something to get their four pals out of federal prison. Giuliani said no, and declined the invitation for a visit. A short time later who do you think shows up in this community? Well, it would be none other than Hillary Rodham her own self. There she is – meeting with the children, meeting with the community leaders, and promising she would mention their four brand new felons to here husband, the president. So --- have you figured it out? Which one of the three Hasidic communities did Hillary visit? It’s no mystery. It was New Square. New Square, the town where only 10 Lazio votes could be found after the smoke cleared. And then, lo and behold, what do you suppose happens in the actual final hours of the Clinton presidency? Oddly enough, Elbaum, Stern, Berger and Goldstein, the New Branch Four, the men who stole $40 million from the taxpayers of the United States, received their pardon. The sentences were commuted. Convicted only a little over a year ago. No restitution. No real time served. No real punishment for bilking the U.S. taxpayers. Just open the cell door and out they go. No – the request for the pardons didn’t go through regular Justice Department channels. It went straight to and from Clinton’s office. Bear in mind, folks. This is only the fourth time this century that a pardon has come out of the president’s office without Justice Department involvement. One of the others was Nixon. Another was Weinberger. Can’t remember the fourth. We all know what happened here, don’t we? A promise was made. Vote for my wife and I’ll turn your felons loose. Pardons for votes. Votes bought with taxpayer money. Let’s see, 1,359 votes for – say -- $40,000,000. That works out to about $30,000 a vote. Your tax money at work. Your tax money at work in the hands of the most corrupt man ever to hold the highest office in our land.

To: PROLIFE who wrote (3677)	1/28/2001 12:35:02 PM
From: Mr. Whist	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 59480

Prolife: Since you seem to have followed this story of the "trashing" of the White House offices and Air Force One, perhaps you could explain to me how this $200,000 figure came about. Would it be possible for you furnish an itemized list of some kind? A link would suffice. I'm just curious how missing W keys on keyboards, broken desk glass and missing coffee mugs from Air Force One = $2,000, much less $200,000. The fact that the Bush Sr. staffers did same to Clinton's folks eight years ago did not come from CNN, but from a story I read yesterday on the Boston Globe's Web site. Also, please don't insult my intelligence by claiming as "proof" something you heard on Fox news. I believe, as GWB does, that a few pranks were pulled, and that this $200,000 figure was made up by the Clinton haters to further discredit him. In any event, if you could provide some kind of itemized list, that would be helpful. Thanks.

To: PROLIFE who wrote (3677)	1/28/2001 12:50:30 PM
From: Mr. Whist	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 59480

This really sounds like $200,000 in vandalism to me. Especially read the fourth paragraph and the last paragraph of this story. I think what happened here is that a lot of people took as "fact" something a rumor-monger posted on his Web site. Combine that with Fox news and you've got a real lethal mixture of bullcrap. Headline: Bush aides mum on reports of White House vandalism By Anne E. Kornblut, Boston Globe Staff, 1/26/2001 WASHINGTON - First they noticed some letter W keys were missing from White House computers. Then Bush officials said they began finding other peculiarities around the West Wing: a mirror hidden inside a bookshelf, a jacket vanished from where it was supposed to be. By yesterday, the condition in which the Bush team found the administration buildings had blossomed into the sort of miniature scandale that Washington loves to hate, complete with racy headlines splashed across the Drudge Report and piercing questions at the daily White House briefing. Was it true that pornographic material had been left on fax machines in the Old Executive Office Building? Was there graffiti scribbled in the halls? Had Tipper Gore really called Lynne Cheney to apologize? No public evidence exists that Clinton and Gore staff members vandalized the White House or Old Executive Office Building. In another administration, the queries might have been met with a wink and a pun or encouraged as evidence of a vast conspiracy in the opposite camp. But in the new Bush administration, the reports are giving aides the perfect chance to advance the president's cause: appearing to ''change the tone'' by saying nothing at all. Bush aides are not denying the accounts, circulated by anonymous sources and conservative pundits, of pornography, graffiti, and cut telephone wires. Instead, the administration is maintaining a proud silence, part of its ''no complaining, no whining'' approach to governance, said Cheney spokeswoman Juleanna Glover-Weiss. ''We are declining to elaborate,'' she said, when asked about an alleged phone call from the former vice president's wife to the current one, in which Tipper Gore reportedly apologized to Lynne Cheney for acts of vandalism that may or may not have occurred. ''I choose not to describe what acts were done that we found upon arrival, because I think that's part of changing the tone in Washington,'' White House spokesman Ari Fleischer said. Fleischer continued: ''The question is: Do you have to blame somebody in this town? And bear with us. President Bush is not going to come to Washington for the purpose of blaming somebody in this town. And it's a different way of governing. It's a different way of leading.'' Bush has long presented himself as ''a uniter, not a divider,'' a politician skilled at bringing together political opponents and softening the rhetoric of partisan debate. And he pledged throughout the campaign to restore dignity to the Oval Office, a task he embarked on last week when he instructed staff members to wear appropriate attire - in other words, no blue jeans - into the presidential work space. In the midst of the honeymoon Bush has enjoyed since his inauguration Saturday, the reports of unusual discoveries, starting with the missing ''W'' keys, at first seemed innocent, even humorous. White House aides readily admitted to their disappearance, and Fleischer voluntarily informed reporters that a flak jacket passed down to him from the previous press secretary, Clinton spokesman Jake Siewert, had disappeared. The jacket has since been found, and administration officials have downplayed the seriousness of the ''W'' offenses. But the other reports - especially those trumpeted on the Drudge Report, the Web site maintained by Matt Drudge - have created a dilemma for the administration. Aware that any accusations about the past administration might appear to contradict the effort to ''change the tone,'' Bush officials have not even admitted conducting an investigation. Yet they have created a certain amount of confusion - within the press corps, at least - by declining to offer details. At the same time, the administration is facing questions about its accountability to the public, especially where the cost to taxpayers is concerned. Fleischer refused to estimate how much the damage cost. Fleischer instead offered a sort of blanket reprieve to his predecessors. ''The president understands that transitions can be times of difficulty and strong emotion,'' he said. ''He's going to approach it in that vein.'' Bush should know. When the victorious President Clinton and his troops seized the White House in 1993, they found the telephones a wreck, computers missing hard drives, and a departing staff that gave them the cold shoulder during the transition.