To: Mark Adams who wrote (62804 ) 1/29/2001 8:37:35 PM From: oldirtybastard Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 436258 Unless they have models with all those complex derivative positions in existence and how they will all behave under duress, I really think they can't be too far ahead (of the economics brains on this thread I mean, they are very far ahead of me personally -g-). We see what they are doing with their repos and coupon passes daily, we know how the ponzi finance schemes have been growing their balance sheets, we know how many people are losing jobs, we know how many credit card applications and banks begging to loan us money are flooding our mailboxes all of a sudden, we know how severe the energy crisis may become, we know the abuses by insiders and sell side firms, the list goes on and on, you know the drill. I guess we don't know what kind of pull they have with foreign central banks and governments, which could become key if the dollar starts to behave like it should by going down, but I'm not going to believe they have everyone under control, and remember that America is still the devil to much of the world. My point being, they have better instruments, TA, AI models what have, but can you imagine a collection of instruments that would be good enough to save this mess at this point? They don't have an exact historical precedent to work off of. This thread isn't alone in it's views, Ray Dalio and Stephen Roach have echoed many of the same, and they are not on the fringe. To relate this to our stock market, I am not confident if I own a stock tonight that I will ever see my money again come tomorrow morning and ever after. If this wall of worry I have was a mainstream issue, it would probably be wise to be bullish, but the average American or even financial industry employee probably doesn't have a clue as to the concerns in the paragraph above. BWTFDIK?