To: Mephisto who wrote (9576 ) 2/1/2001 1:19:03 AM From: Slugger Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 10042 "a wall of separation between church and state." If you had read your history books you would know our founding fathers were not secular. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From the Declaration of Independence: ""all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable Rights." ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Thomas Jefferson: In "Report of the Commons" for the University of Virginia, August 4, 1818, morality is linked to "the supreme ruler of the universe , the author of all the relations of morality, and of the laws and obligations these infer...." The moral obligations [are] those in which all sects agree...." ------------------------------------------------------------------------"In God we trust," the motto of the United States. ------------------------------------------------------------------------We have staked the whole of our political institutions upon the capacity of mankind for self-government, upon the capacity of each and all of us to govern ourselves, to control ourselves, to sustain ourselves according to the Ten Commandments of God. -- James Madison ------------------------------------------------------------------------God who gave us life gave us liberty. Can the liberties of a nation be secure when we have removed a conviction that these liberties are a gift of God? Indeed I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just, and that His justice cannot sleep forever. -- Thomas Jefferson ------------------------------------------------------------------------ "Of all the dispositions and habits which lead to political prosperity, religion and morality are indispensable supports. In vain would that man claim the tribute of patriotism who should labor to subvert these great pillars of human happiness..., reason and experience both forbid us to expect that national morality can prevail in exclusion of religious principle. " - George Washington's farewell address 1796 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ "You have rights antecedent to all earthly governments; rights that cannot be repealed or restrained by human laws; rights derived from the Great Legislator of the Universe ." - John Adams ------------------------------------------------------------------------ And you think John Ashcroft is bad! Good thing you weren't around 230 years ago.