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To: Apollo who wrote (17463)	1/30/2001 4:15:33 PM
From: Tunica Albuginea	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 24042

OT/Apollo, kudos to your work. My son is getting into cardiovascular surgery and I know a little more about your work than you suspect. The point is that regardless of the high motives of your work you have totally disregarded who pays for it. -you have just added to the national debt. -you have put your hospital one step closer to closing your Intensive care unit because they do not have money to pay for nurses. That means that a more salvageable younger parson may die for lack of care.It is coming, as more and more Emergency Rooms and Trauma centers close. -You have added to the National Debt that is to be paid by your children and young children.They did not vote for it. It is un-American and non-economic. -when you see JDSU's price going down, it is because a)Your old lady's high medical costs force Chrysler to raise prices, thus, b)cars in Detroit are not selling, c)your old lady has raised The National Debt, thus will cause Greenie not to lower rates as much as he should. Higher rates prevent cars from selling. d)Your old lady makes Chrysler's costs higher as the old lady uses up resources that makes everybody's care more expensive.Her use of resources is significantly higher than that of younger people working .Thus Chrysler does not sell cars. b)Thus, increased Medical Cots are a significant part of the cost of a car. Chrysler thus cannot pay for that extra bandwidth, because of that which is why JDSU is down. It is physicians like you, who have a complete disregard of the ability of younger people to support the elderly at huge expense to their family to the point of family break ups that is responsible for much of the dire state the economy is in. It has been estimated that 75 % of one's lifetime health care dollar get spent the last 2 years of one's life. Those two years are miserable. Your old lady , -is only "better" , not yet " cured " as you yourself admit -will be in the hospital another 2-4 weeks. -will be getting catheter infections -requiring multiple Quinton Catheter changes -immobile and develop bed sores -will get Foley catheter cystitis or line sepsis predisposing her to sepsis again -with emphysema she is thus will not be able to meet oxygen delivery and she will end up on the ventilator -she will then require intestinal tube feeding -is risking hypoxic encephalopathy if she does go into septicshock -require Swan Ganz catheter filling prssures monitoring etc -she will then require PEG tube feedoing -then she will be going to a nursing home -transported back to outpatient dialysis 3 times a week -her 2? 3? children will have to take time off to take her to dialysis. The payments to a Nursing Home to the tune of 50K/Year will destroy whatever little she had saved and force the family to pay for that. The little old lady will remain in pain. Her life expectancy is less that 6 months I bet you at over $100,000 cost. That somebody else pays.She will live in constant pain. Her family will be in constant pain for all of this. I am very sorry to have to tell you all this. However nobody has given you the right to indiscriminately spend other people's money. The fact that you are on salary is immaterial. You are still blowing away money that is not yours, with total disregard of it's profound Economic and Societal implications, back much later, TA

To: Apollo who wrote (17463)	1/30/2001 6:49:16 PM
From: Liatris Spicata	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 24042

Apollo- OT- Why is Tunica an idiot? I have a friend who is a physician who reports that the majority of docs he works with don't even know the order of magnitude of the costs of many of the tests they request. Gee, I wish I could operate on a "cost-is-no-concern" basis. As for your patient with emphysema, well I confess to being a bit grumpy about paying for everyone's lifestyle diseases, particularly when a coercive system is employed to raise the necessary revenue. BTW, this same friend of mine found himself in a minority of one on a committee when he disagreed with a recommendation for a kidney transplant for a 56 year-old alcoholic. However, after a full discussion of the case, he prevailed and I believe the man was denied his transplant. Do you think I should have been obliged to help pay for his transplant, and if so, why? I understand, to some extent at least, a physician's concern with doing the best for a patient. I'd probably want that for those near and dear to me. But while this matter is "profoundly OT" for this thread, the concerns Tunica raised are not trivial. Moreover, the "few select individuals" cited in the Journal's article are revealing of a system that appears to lend itself to potential conflicts of interest and the enriching of people with taxpayer money. How better to portray how the system works- or should the public simply not be told? Larry