To: Zoltan! who wrote (3833 ) 1/30/2001 5:27:44 PM From: Mr. Whist Read Replies (4) | Respond to of 59480 Since you're so convinced that the union contracts are the death knell for automakers (and, by inference, all kinds of assorted businesses), please spend a few moments to address these points: (1) The German automakers. You purposely avoided discussing German automakers in your most previous response. I know, your grad school study only focused on Anglo-American style unions, but, alas, not all of my questions can be answered in the context of your study. The auto unions in Germany have obtained contracts that every autoworker in this country envies, in terms of wages, vacation time, working conditions ... you name it. Yet Germany still turns out the best cars in the world. Your argument is the stronger the union the worse the car. So how come Germany is still turning out splendid automobiles? (2) Singapore. Singapore is the envy of the Pacific Rim in terms of what it has achieved economically. Yet Singapore is the most unionized country in the world. What gives? (3) Extend your argument to other segments of American labor: Are non-union police officers "better" than union police officers? Are non-union airline pilots "better" than union airline pilots? Are non-union newspapers "better" than union newspapers? Moving on, I fail to see why you label my argument about unionization efforts at Toyota's Kentucky plant senseless and illogical. I will repeat what I said before in simpler terms: There's a chance that within the next couple-three years the Toyota plant in Georgetown, Kentucky, will become a union plant. It now is a non-union plant. If that occurs, namely, the unionization of the plant, will you view Toyota in the same terms that you view GM, Ford and Chrysler? Or is there more to the Toyota success story than simply employing non-union workers?