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To: bonnuss_in_austin who wrote (4309)	2/1/2001 6:42:35 PM
From: TimF	Respond to of 82486

... to buttress your silly ideology that all women who end up pregnant should be legally required to sentence themselves to life-long responsibility for that 'new life' within them. They would not have any sort of life long sentance. You can give birth to a child and then give it up for adoption. Perhaps you should change your arguement to "should be legally required to sentence themselves to a 9 month period of responsibility..." Ya know, 'twfowler' ... unless you've personally been in the situation where skipped periods scare the hell out of you for fear that you (or your girlfriend, wife, significant other) are pregnant, I really think that you are simply full of crap with your 'ideals.' Have you ever been killed because your mother didn't want you? No Well then I guess you are "full of crap" then. More seriously I do not think that the only people who should be able to talk about a controversial issue are those who are directly involved in it. If you do think that only people directly and personally effected by the issue should be able to talk about that issue, then I gather that you feel yourself compitent to hold an opinion on only a very few issues. I asked you about your personal 'fervor' on this issue, and you chose not to reveal your life experiences with the subject of procreation or abortion etc. I'm not sure how relevant this question is, but I did reveal my life experiences with the subject of procreation and abortion. - None - I have never caused a woman to become pregnant. The closest I ever came to being involved in this issue is my older sister had an unwanted pregnacy. She is very pro-life though and to my knowlege never considered abortion. I must conclude that you have some ulterior motives for posting so consistently about your detached philosophies .. The only ulterior motive I can think of is that I enjoy debate, atleast when it does not sink to the level of personal attack. I continue to post because people continue to respond. You might as well ask the pro-choice people why they continue to post, but apparently you feel no need to psycoanalyze them. that have virtually no meaning to anyone except you yourself, as you have no 'first-hand, real-life experience' with unwanted pregnancy ... is this correct? I would say its not correct. That my posts have no meaning to anyone but myself. Some people actually seem at least slightly interested in what I have to say. But perhaps they are just humoring me.. I don't think so. Would what I have posted all of the sudden become so fascinating to you if I had some personal experience in this area? Or perhaps only the story of the personal experience would be interesting to you. If you are so hung up on personal experiences perhaps you should start a moderated threat where people can post personal stories but where no abstract ideas are allowed. If by "is this correct' you mean, is it correct that I have no personal experience with an unwanted pregnancy?" Then the answer might be yes, depending on how close of expierence you would require to consider it personal. I have known people who have had unwanted pregnacies, but I have not caused one, and I have not known anyone who had an abortion during the time that I have known them. (Or if they did they didn't talk about it and had it before the fact that they were pregant was public.) Tim

To: bonnuss_in_austin who wrote (4309)	2/2/2001 9:18:01 AM
From: Lane3	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 82486

I must conclude that you have some ulterior motives for posting so consistently about your detached philosophies ... Maybe Tim and I have been taking up more than our fair share of space on this thread the last few days and have become boring. It's so unusual to find someone who can argue the pro-life position so calmly and coherently that I'm loath to let him get away. I don't know if he has ulterior motives or not, but he's been helpful to my understanding of the issue and he's been a good sport. I hope that everyone will indulge us a bit longer. From what source does your 'conviction' spring, so to speak? I started this conversation with Tim to get an answer to the same question as you're asking. Over the course of our posts, I've gotten an answer that is comprehensible to me. The answer, as I understand it, is that there isn't a rational basis at all but a deeply held feeling of truth. I find that answer satisfying because it relieves me of the need to pursue further my search for a rationale. I can respect an inner sense about truth as a basis for one's personal convictions and actions. I'm hoping that Tim is coming to understand my objection to using anyone's personal truth as a basis for public policy. Karen