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Politics : Sharks in the Septic Tank -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: epicure who wrote (4574)	2/3/2001 2:07:06 PM
From: Lane3	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 82486

I think it's even more basic than that. Since we're speculating, how about something even more basic yet? Men subconsciously see this loss of control as a harbinger of the time when women recognize that men are no longer essential for the reproductive process. Men find this disconcerting. Some women find it disconcerting, too. Karen

To: epicure who wrote (4574)	2/3/2001 2:08:22 PM
From: E	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 82486

That's brilliant. And a thought about women affiliating with male objectives: it is not uncommon for animals including humans to seek affiliation with the powerful. There are quid pro quos to be found in this situation. I suspect that the higher the income of a woman, ie the less dependent for resources on males, the more likely she is to be protective of her right to control whether and when she gives birth. I've got to get some work done, back later....

To: epicure who wrote (4574)	2/3/2001 2:30:43 PM
From: bela_ghoulashi	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 82486

Hmmm. Bland thinks it's even more basic than that. Men pretty much just want to fuck. Anything and everything that happens afterwards is pretty much a complete surprise and total mystery to them.

To: epicure who wrote (4574)	2/3/2001 5:06:05 PM
From: Solon	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 82486

A recent poll in Canada showed that women were slightly more pro-life than men. A slightly higher percentage of men supported abortion than did women. This current American poll from Gallop however shows men and women to be virtually identical in their sentiment, overall--a 1 percent preference of women for abortion over men. That leads me to wonder if there are indeed any gender specific factors informing the issue, in particular from a biological rather than a social perspective--or if both genders are expressing their beliefs--without any particular bias originating in the gene structure. gallup.com

To: epicure who wrote (4574)	2/3/2001 6:31:06 PM
From: Dayuhan	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 82486

Religions are male dominated and highly skewed to favoring male objectives. I live in a Catholic-dominated country, and every time I see a crowd spilling out of a church, I notice that the crowd is about 75% female, and that about 75% of the males who are there look like they wouldn't be there if they hadn't been dragged there by a female. There are mobs of women, most of which have probably never committed more that the most venal of sins, who flagellate themselves in atonement for something every Good Friday. Very few men participate. The leadership, of course, is 100% male. An odd phenomenon; I wonder if it is repeated elsewhere.

To: epicure who wrote (4574)	2/3/2001 9:24:19 PM
From: Greta Mc	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 82486

I am responding to this part of your post: "What is harder to understand is other women who go along with this. But let's face it- lots of women are religious. Religions are male dominated and highly skewed to favoring male objectives. So religious women have been co-opted by a male power structure they don't even think of as male (why this obliviousness to the obvious male bias I'll never know)." I would like to give you my non-religious perspective on this. The ONLY reason I, as a non religious woman, am against abortion is because I am not convinced that an innocent life, who didn't do anything to anyone, is being taken. It honestly has nothing to do with religion or male dominance...it's simply my conscience having the slightest doubt that it may be a life being taken. If I could resolve in my little mind that an innocent life was not being taken, then I would feel about abortion as I do cosmetic surgery (which is, "Go for it if you want to, knowing the risks involved.") And this does not mean that I think less of women who have had abortions, it's simply a hurdle in the abortion issue that I can't resolve in my non-religious mind. Take care....and thanks for posting your opinions.... Greta