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To: epicure who wrote (4710)	2/4/2001 12:42:47 AM
From: TimF	Respond to of 82486

That is not true. They cannot simply help themselves Helping themselves is not simple. But in the end they are the only ones who can really do it. Both due to the unfortunate fact that not enough other people care, but also because even if they do care there is only so much other people can do and that amount is particuarly limited when people are not making the best effort to help themselves which is somtimes the case. If we could take a trillion dollars over the next twenty years and end poverty in the US forever I would support it (to a certain extent I would think it would be unjust because it would involve forcibly takeing from some to give to others but such an enormous practical effect would make it worth it IMO), but it wouldn't and it can't. I do think that frequently instead of helping government can get in the way (with high local minmum wages or by sheltering monopolies and not permiting entrepreneurial activities of people in the inner city such as van drivers that not only make money themselves but enable other people to get to jobs from the inner city or by setting up roads and transit to server rich and middle class communities but not the poor, or many other ways), and these things should be changed. Schools on poor areas need to be improved but even when money is thrown at them it is too often wasted, and even when it actually goes to improving school buildings and facilities it doesn't always make an difference in terms of what the students actually learn. I think perhaps competition in providing education would improve things but that itself is a controversial issue. Tim

To: epicure who wrote (4710)	2/4/2001 1:05:36 AM
From: bela_ghoulashi	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 82486

>> Money is the solution to most problems.<< Money is also the source of many of these problems. Money for nothing. Gratis subsistence level support helped create and now perpetuates many of these problems. Unskilled, jobless mothers with no income but welfare, and no means to increase their income but to have more children. Fathers who were made irrelevant as a means of support. People with lots of time on their hands and little of interest to do but make babies. What you feed multiplies. It multiplies until it reaches the limits of your capacity to feed it. Then the margins die off. That is the whole story of populations in nature. It will not change for the human race, no matter what we do. There will likely always be a marginal edge of suffering humanity. For the foreseeable future, at least.