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To: JF Quinnelly who wrote (58416)	2/4/2001 4:40:19 PM
From: Tom Clarke	Respond to of 71178

I'm having difficulty thinking of a good Southern writer who wrote before the war. Edgar Allan Poe is one. The only Northern writers worth a damn were James Fenimore Cooper and Nathaniel Hawthorne. It's curious that the Southern Renascence in literature didn't occur until early this century when the Nashville Fugitive poets came along at the same time as Faulkner. Then there was Robert Penn Warren, Thomas Wolfe, Eudora Welty, Flannery O'Connor, Walker Percy...we could make quite a long list. Hands down, the South has been far more influential in American letters this century than the North has.

To: JF Quinnelly who wrote (58416)	2/4/2001 8:11:16 PM
From: nihil	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 71178

Well, if you consider notes on Virginia as a product of the pre-Civil War slave culture, you have real imagination. Admittedly, some of his remarks on Negroes in that book do reflect the ignorance and prejudice of the Southern fools, and today lead to Jesserson being condemned, quite correctly, as a racist. As for the badly flawed Constitution which had to be cleaned up in blood, it was hardly the work of a Southerner. The awful parts, I will admit, were written by Southerners. But that is exactly my point -- Southern culture was so defective that it made a bllody war inevitable. The US would not be worthwhile until all of the slavery crap was washed away by blood. Some culture! As for the Northern books, I suggest you read Walt Whitman, Moby Dick, Conquest of Mexico and of Peru, Longfellow, Uncle Tom's Cabin (perhaps the most influential of all), Emerson's Essays, Franklin's Autobiography, Two Years before the Mast, The Deerslayer, .... the list goes on and on. Nothing written by a Southerner in period 1828-1860 is worth its weight in toilet paper. Even Helper's book is so rotten that no decent person can stand to read it today. If you have actually read Arator, and are not just showing off, I congratulate you for having so much time to waste.