To: mishedlo who wrote (89199 ) 2/5/2001 11:13:57 AM From: Knighty Tin Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 132070 M, the main reason to like Vert over Commerce One is price. In a recovery, some of these stocks like Vert, Vign, etc. are going to quintuple or more. Though a $21 can do that, it is much more resistant. Effectively, my feeling is that the B2B industry will survive. Most players will survive and a very few will prosper. So, I like to buy a dozen or so cheap names equivalent to about 2 full stock positions and wait for a few winners to blast out. It has worked for me many times with biotechs and small techs and even deep cyclicals. But as I say this, any reader has to keep in mind that the capital appreciation part of my portfolio only represents 10% of the total. If I lost every penny of it, I'd be unhappy and I'd kick my dog (and receive a nice bite and a lifted leg in response <g>), but I wouldn't be lining up at the welfare office. I have 60% in nice and steady maximum income and 30% in wild and wooly, but fairly safe, 90/10 long options. There is absolutely no way to assign valuations to individual cos. in software and hosting. You kind of have to assign a valuation to the industry and hope that one or more of your picks takes advantage of the certain growth. The best resource for industry valuation is Mary something, the analyst at Morgan Stuckup. But for individual stock picks, run, don't walk, when she starts talking. <g> The growth in storage is probably overestimated right now. We have to remember that these projections were made based upon a lot of now defunct and/or cash strapped internut startups buying servers out the wazoo and doing a huge amount of business. Brocade and Qlogic are almost nowhere in revenues right now. Under $100 million can definitely grow at a large rate into the next 5 years. I am more concerned with both of them coming up with products that are differentiated enough to make them "must dos." So far, they have done that. But you cannot guarantee innovation or prevent some other co. from eating your lunch. With EMC, they have much larger sales and are the gorilla in the space. There I worry much more about margins, as they may have to cut prices to increase market share from where they already are.