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Politics : The Left Wing Porch -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: thames_sider who wrote (3903)	2/8/2001 6:14:05 PM
From: Mephisto	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 6089

You are from UK! So is my husband who got his undergraduate degree at Oxford!!! He was on the rowing team but he liked to run as well. Since this is a serious thread, I was going to mention Dr. Martin Luther King's opinion about Liberals and their optimism. I don't want to confuse King's definition of liberal optimism with King's personal optimism, which was strong, very strong.

To: thames_sider who wrote (3903)	2/8/2001 6:50:59 PM
From: cosmicforce	Respond to of 6089

I think you need to look at where people live. The Pacific Northwest coastal region has other resources. I wouldn't rule out wind power SUPPLIMENTING the grid. I also wouldn't rule out off-shore tidal or wave power. My brother tells me of 18 foot wave in Puget Sound during gales that snap off the tops of trees on his piece of property. I saw a design 20 years ago to exploit the temperature difference between surface "warm water" and bottom "cold water". Using Sterling cycle engines (using ammonia or methane) this is big enough to produce power. We have no creativity IMO in gaining access to these novel resources. The truth is that you don't need direct sun to get PV's to work. Yes, they work better in full sun, and I lived in Washington. Just over the Cascade range, they get over 200 days a year of sunshine. Power conservation is critical but in exponential growth populations and economies, it is not reasonable to expect linear mode (conservation) measures to be able support exponential (growth) demand.

To: thames_sider who wrote (3903)	2/10/2001 11:50:38 AM
From: Mac Con Ulaidh	Respond to of 6089

I chose this article to put here because I like it, and it has a link to an article about European concerns. On Yahoo there a lot of articles specifically about what is going on in Britian concering the aftermath of the Gulf War for the people who fought there ~ (and an aside ~ My sister and her family spent a couple of years in a little place outside of London awhile back. They had a great time. It was an experience for the kids, especially. The nephew, the oldest, took the train around to various places on his own, visiting Paris and other parts. The kids were born and raised in LA, and live back in the same house now. I'm so glad they had the chance to be over there for awhile. They all cherish both the fun they had, and what they learned from it. They didn't much care for the weather, though. <g>) commondreams.org ~ One thing I really like is that is such an old dude! Published on Friday, February 2, 2001 at 6:49 pm by the Associated Press Maine Judge Sentences Depleted Uranium Activists To 1-Year in Prison by David Sharp also see: Concerns Raised by Philip Berrigan about Radioactive Ammunition are Echoing in Europe A Tale Of Two War Veterans: John McCain And Phil Berrigan 'Plowshares Vs Depleted Uranium' Activists Face Harsh Jail Sentences PORTLAND, Maine -- Two peace activists were sent back to federal prison Friday for vandalizing a pair of military aircraft in Maryland while on probation for a similar incident aboard a Navy destroyer at Bath Iron Works. U.S. District Judge Gene Carter imposed 12-month sentences on both Philip Berrigan, 77, and Susan Crane, 57, in separate hearings that were packed with more than 50 members and supporters of the peace group Plowshares. Activist Philip Berrigan talks to the media Friday outside U.S. District Court in Portland, Maine. He and Susan Crane were sentenced to 12 months in federal prison for violating conditions of their probation. John Ewing/Portland Press Herald Berrigan, a former Roman Catholic priest, did not deny that he and other demonstrators broke through a fence at a Maryland Air National Guard base and damaged two A-10 Thunderbolts. But he said he did nothing morally wrong. ''I was acting according to my conscience and the precepts of non-violent principles and laws,'' Berrigan told the judge. In sentencing Berrigan, Carter said he believed Berrigan's conduct was based on ''beliefs that are profound and conscientiously held'' but said Berrigan's beliefs did not provide legal justification for his actions. Afterward, a supporter stood and shouted, ''This court is an abomination to God and man!'' before being led out by a security officer. Then Berrigan's supporters broke into a chorus and made peace signs with their hands as Berrigan was escorted from the courtroom. Some shouted, ''God bless you Phil'' and ''We love you Phil'' as he was led away. Berrigan was originally sentenced to two years and Crane to 27 months in federal prison following the conviction of six activists for damaging USS The Sullivans while it was docked at Bath Iron Works in 1997. The protesters boarded the ship, damaged its control panels with hammers and spilled baby bottles containing their own blood. In addition to prison sentences, Berrigan and Crane were ordered not to engage in criminal conduct or to associate with others convicted of felonies under Carter's original terms of supervised release. Background on Depleted Uranium Ammunition For much more check out: Discounted Casualties - The Human Cost of Depleted Uranium provided by the Hiroshima, Japan newspaper - The Chugoku Shimbun. Also the Federation of American Scientists has a Depleted Uranium Ammunition page. And the Military Toxics Project has a campaign against depleted uranium weapons. (left) US Armor Piercing Incendiary [Depleted Uranium] 30mm Ammunition They violated those provisions on Dec. 19, 1999, when they joined a group of demonstrators that used bolt cutters to get onto a National Guard Base in Essex, Md., and vandalize two aircraft. Berrigan said the A-10 aircraft use armor-piercing ammunition that contains depleted uranium, which he believes is the source of Gulf War Syndrome and has caused hundreds of deaths in Iraq, and in Bosnia and Yugoslavia. ''Of all the weapons of mass destruction... perhaps the most assiduous is D.U. depleted uranium,'' Berrigan said. He believes 2 million Iraqis alone have died from depleted uranium exposure and sanctions since the 1991 Persian Gulf War. Countries that sent peacekeepers to Bosnia and Kosovo have been looking for links between the depleted uranium ammunition and illnesses contracted by veterans. So far, scientists say there is no firm link. Before the sentencing, Berrigan's supporters marched from a Bath Iron Works dry dock to the federal court. Berrigan seemed to be at ease, smiling and chatting and having lunch with supporters before going into court.