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To: Mephisto who wrote (3917)	2/8/2001 7:00:13 PM
From: Mac Con Ulaidh	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 6089

I'm glad you did. I'll look up the article. Initially, I love that piece you used. I just would not go with "sin" as the darkening factor. Is it a "sin" to be cruel? Perhaps, if one accepts the notion of sin, and then still cruelty is not necessarily a "sin". But it does exist, and can not be treated lightly, or with the notion that goodness will simply overcome it and the cruel person will be kind. That is foolish. Not the thought of a fool, but foolish, and dangerous. That's where liberal friends and I often came to difficulties. But I think you can be a leftie and not believe in the liberal optimism. <g>

To: Mephisto who wrote (3917)	2/8/2001 7:01:47 PM
From: epicure	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 6089

I agree with Dr. King to a certain extent- but calling it sin seems a bit dark ages for me. What liberals need to come to grips with is that we are animals. Liberals, many of them being secular humanists, really ought to KNOW this- but they don't. How you can be optimistic about people's better natures when you look at animals, this boggles my mind. That doesn't mean humans can't progress- but we certainly aren't going to progress if we ignore the "dark" side- of course I don't see it as dark (or as "sin" as Dr King puts it)- I merely see these traits and tendencies as evolutionary traits that we may want to acknowledge and work around.