To: Jamey who wrote (32494 ) 2/10/2001 5:58:05 PM From: 2MAR$ Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 39621 Santiago ,here is a link you might find interesting.probe.org " In his analysis of man, Pascal focuses on two very contradictory sides of fallen human nature. Man is both noble and wretched. Noble, because he is created in God's image; wretched, because he is fallen and alienated from God. " I was always fond of Blaise Pascal, the seventeenth century Christian , and mathematical genius . As a scientist he was aware of the limitations of logic and reason , and saw the need for some of the most important decisions of our lives , must be based on searching the heart. He saw that there were things even in nature that were beyond our limitations of rational explanation , so how could one prove that God is there ? Both hidden and revealing , God may show himself for the contemplative soul, thru that deeper transcending sense of a more divine order within. It is for each person to pray deeply to understand and become enveloped in this . As for Pascal , his insights still remain fresh today. It is extremely important for people to understand the the ture heart of religious search , from distilling their own lives down first to comprehendible parts. Just as in mathematics and geometry , you must start with the theorems and basic postulates to understand more advanced proofs and answers , so in matters of the religion and knowing God one must start with what is basic and foundational in our lives. Often what is simplest , is divine. Even when one has had one of those "peak" experiences that many have when life has "revealed" something more precious hidden deeper within. One simplifies. Jesus , Buddha , Krishna understood deeply/divinely the complexities of Man's heart . Yet they spoke simply , in clearly undertood parables and stories . Which were quite exquisite in their effect ....more so to me than the " miracles" , which are only needed by those who's faith is not fully developed. Simplicity is good ,and used by many successful persons , because it leaves the mind uncluttered. This requires first the introduction of earnest prayer or meditation. Which sadly is usually not the condition of our normal state of mind/comsciousness to have have the control over our own selves enough to even begin this...being whip-sawed so violently ( just like the in the stock~market) between greed , lust , and fear , and indecision. All three of which are mind-numbing , and clouds & freezes ones natural gifts of insight and vision. There are " good " things which are gifts of nature born within us , and there lives in each heart every answer one could seek . For God dwells not everywhere ? But without developing a deeper sense of calmness , living with restraint and "moderately" , a sense of one's own "being " and clarity of vision one cannot hope to poessess. This is basic Hinduism and Buddhism 101. Could it be that the soul and the heart are one and the same ? Knowledge of of one , leads to knowledge of the other , and then on to knowledge of God ? Not the knowledge of your own personal heart, but the heart within you that see's itself in all other places and people at the same time... With or without Moses , you would be able to have discovered today , in your own heart , the Ten Commandments for the Laws of God were ever written there, in your own heart. So smile and be joyful...seek and you shall find. So here is a contribution to this " Ask God " thread... *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ Note : Your question on the everlasting afterlife.... ...could you be so kind to give me an extra few hundred years to answer that ? [ joking, Christian!] ;-) * I'll try maybe later ,to give you a sense of what I think and feel on that ...perhaps a Hindu point of view , it's very interesting and complimentary... From first impulse though since I am conversing with you , a Christian , I would start with those words/revelations by your own Master Jesus : " I am the way and the light" and " I and the father are one " , as a good place to begin to address the concept of "Everlastingness" . It may be that what is "everlasting " is waiting for you "here and now" ... regards Noel