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To: gamesmistress who wrote (86805)	2/10/2001 10:23:24 AM
From: Tommaso	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 95453

I don't understand why NG-powered heat pumps (which would be 200% and more efficient in much of the US) are not available. What little heat was wasted coming out an exhaust pipe could be recovered to preheat warm water. That would bypass the electrical grid entirely and get three times as much energy out of the natural gas--and provide both heating and cooling. I think the great energy bubble/bust of the 1980s, followed by the oil bust of 1998, has induced a post-depression mentality vis-a-vis energy stocks. That makes it a wonderful opportunity. There will certainly be downs and ups, but to me holding energy is like was used to be called tax farming--it's a right to collect money from other people. I admit that I was stunned by what happened to oil in 1998, but I did hold on to everything I had. Wish I had just gone longer energy instead of going short the tech bubble (which did eventually pay off, but not nearly as well as simply getting longer energy would have).

To: gamesmistress who wrote (86805)	2/10/2001 1:17:32 PM
From: Zeuspaul	Respond to of 95453

OT He figured between $17 - $20,000, and his house is a small one and not optimally positioned for solar panels either. And people don't want to have to be engineers to get heat and lights, anymore than they want to have to be auto mechanics to drive a car. Just flip that switch! You don't have to be an engineer to USE electricity from solar cells. You just flick the switch. Most of the systems you use have been designed by engineers...solar electric power is pretty basic stuff. All you have to do is come up with the bucks. A contractor installs the system for you. The system can be hooked to the grid eliminating the need for batteries. Extra juice is sold to the utility during sunshine hours. You draw from the grid at night. My electric bill is about $100 per month. It could easily triple at todays market rates to $300 per month. For $300 @ 7.5% I can get $37,000 and pay it back in twenty years. There are solar cells with 20 year guarantees. $37,000 buys a lot of photo voltaic juice in my area of the country even without government subsidies and without optimum orientation. From the LADWP site _________________________________________________ 10. How much does a PV system cost? The cost of a PV system is determined primarily by its size a 2,000 watt (or 2kW) system that supplies about 20-60% of the power for a 1,500-2,000 square foot home may cost $15,000 for equipment and installation, before the Incentive payment. greenla.com ________________________________________ The incentive payment is $5 per installed watt. $3 from the state and an added $2 from LADWP. The incentive would reduce the cost of a 2KW system from $20,000 to $10,000. LADWP is a self supporting public utility so LADWPs piece of the rebate is derived from its sales of juice. This is one way to reinvest the proceeds of low cost coal power generation into clean renewable energy. LADWP has moved away from gas and oil to produce power and towards coal. Zeuspaul