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To: average joe who wrote (439)2/11/2001 10:56:27 PM
From: Jorj X Mckie  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 948
 
Premediated murder is still murder legal or illegal.

Actually, murder is a legal definition that specifically means that it is unlawful.

The danger of abortion isn't terribly relevant considering how dangerous birth is.

The real issue is that those who support the right to abortion do not believe they are commiting homocide. That is, the fetus does not have the complete set of characteristics that would allow the complete set of rights that are imparted on birthed humans.

Pro-life supporters believe that the fetus has all of the characteristics that make it human and therefore subject to all of the protection imparted to birthed humans.

I believe that self awareness happens some time before birth (I have no idea when). I personally believe that self awareness is a good demarcation point for when abortion would be acceptable or not. But since I don't know when it happens, I have a tough time telling someone else what to do with their body or imposing my belief of what the demarcation point should be.

But, I also believe that if you believe abortion to be homocide, that you have a personal obligation to say something about it. But until you "know" that a fetus has all of the characteristics that make it a complete human being (as opposed to a potential human being), that the argument should be posed respectful of the other side's views.



To: average joe who wrote (439)2/12/2001 5:47:27 PM
From: Machaon  Respond to of 948
 
<< Premediated murder is still murder legal or illegal. >>

Killing a fetus or an embryo is no more a murder than killing a sperm. If you have ever seen sperms under a microscope you will see that they are living pre-humans. The only reason why anti-abortion zealots go after embryos and fetuses, instead of sperms, is because men are willing to sacrifice a woman's sexual freedom and reproductive choice, but don't want to hamper their own sexual freedom.