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To: Greg or e who wrote (5581)	2/13/2001 11:38:36 AM
From: thames_sider	Respond to of 82486

Greg, You say God both knows you, and loves you. And many times one hears of God's complete, absolute and unconditional love, etc etc... I'm not trying to annoy with this question, but it's one I've never had answered by any Christian: if God is so knowing, loving and all-powerful, why on earth does it matter what we believe? surely what matters is whether he believes...? Or, more importantly, how - aside from professed beliefs - we actually live? (I think this was the basis of the Pelasgian heresy, but I'm no expert). Please don't even try to convert me - I assure you, it's a wasted effort. I speak as someone who's kept two Jehovah's Witnesses talking on the doorstep until they said they had to go... oddly enough, they never came back. I'd just like to hear your answer to that question.

To: Greg or e who wrote (5581)	2/13/2001 11:40:29 AM
From: epicure	Respond to of 82486

You are free to pray for whoever you want for whatever you want. I think it's silly, but I'm sure that won't bother you. I find your beliefs repugnant too, and I can't help but feel after reading your responses that you have not a clue what I or my beliefs are about. Nor, I suppose, will you ever get a clue. I am far from cynical. I am one of the biggest idealists I know. I consistently fight for the ALREADY born underdogs of the world. My world view is not nihilistic- I believe that nothing can be known, but I do not believe in nothing, nor do I believe all moralities are equal (subjectively), or baseless- they are based in our hard wiring, and in our evolution, both physical and social.

To: Greg or e who wrote (5581)	2/13/2001 12:04:08 PM
From: epicure	Respond to of 82486

I forgot to make my standard request following your "I'll pray for you" thing. Please pray instead for my son- we like people to pray that his compromised vision in his left eye will improve. Being the sensitive guy you are- I'm sure you'll do this religiously. And anyone else out there who needs a little knee time- please feel free to pray for X's son's eye- God, if he exists, will know which kid you mean.

To: Greg or e who wrote (5581)	2/13/2001 12:48:07 PM
From: The Philosopher	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 82486

You were right to be disturbed. The fact is, X is a very disturbed person. Her acceptance that slavery can be moral is, of course, dependent on her assumption that she would be a slave holder rather than a slave. She would enjoy the absolute power of a slave holder, the right to beat people at will, to mistreat them, to abuse their rights -- or non-rights since she doesn't believe there are any such things as inalienable rights. If she were to spend a year as a slave, her viewpoint would change dramatically. But that's the problem with people like her -- they have no ability for empathy.