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Politics : Sharks in the Septic Tank -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: cosmicforce who wrote (5826)	2/14/2001 3:52:14 PM
From: TimF	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 82486

Clearly you haven't read much about chimps, gorillas or other anthropoids. I don't think this is clear at all, or even true. killing the chimps with a bludgeon. Make sure all the other chimps can see it. Move to the next cage. Record the reactions and vocalizations of the chimps and tell me that they don't "have the ability to think at such level of abstraction" about their liberty or life. I didn't say that can't realize when their life is threatened or that they don't want to live. I did say that I don't think they can think on the level of abstraction of rights and other philisophical concepts. I don't believe that chimps or gorillias think much about philosophy. Ah relativism. Just be glad your kind considers you to have rights to life and liberty. Sometimes. So saying that gorillas and chips can't think deep philisophical thoughts makes me a moral relativist? I didn't even say anything about what conclutions I would draw from this fact or make any statements about the rights (or lack there of) of chimps. I just pointed out that they don't think about their rights. [Edit: I'm curious. Because a fetus "doesn't think this way", are you then saying that the inability to consider one's rights removes same?] 1 - See the above paragraph. I did not make any statement about the lack of chimp philosophy equaling a lack of rights. You are reading in to my post things I did not say. I made no comment about chimp rights one way or the other. I was stating a fact and from that you imagined a conclution that was not in my post. If I want to say something I say it. I don't hide it in code that needs interpretation to bring out its hidden meaning. 2- The human fetus is human and often will develop the ability to think about philosophy and other very abstract concepts. A chimp will not develop this capability. Tim