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Politics : Sharks in the Septic Tank -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?


To: Lane3 who wrote (6000)2/16/2001 9:56:24 AM
From: Win Smith  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 82486
 
No fair! You got my grub, and you weren't even trying! Now I'll have to wait for 6666, but that's a better one anyway.



To: Lane3 who wrote (6000)2/16/2001 11:01:04 AM
From: Greg or e  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 82486
 
Good morning Karen.

I would not like to leave the impression that I oppose Amnesty International. Generally, from what I know, I think they are a fine organization with laudable principals. I'm not sure what the basis for those principals are, but they do some great stuff. I said they didn't look too good, because I thought their statement smacked of political weaselry, carefully crafted to avoid taking a stand on something that to my mind, should be right up their alley.

As far as s hierarchy of values goes, when Jesus was asked; What is the greatest commandment? he responded that it was to love the LORD with all our hearts and minds and Souls, but right below that was to love our neighbors. So my hierarchy of values stem from that. What pleases God pleases me. He exults in justice for the poor, the oppressed, and those who are widowed and orphaned. He exalts in righteousness, peace, and mercy. I know I am not a very good example of that, but that is why I am interested in human rights. I was thinking last night how hard my words must seem to someone who has had an abortion. I know the chances of that must be very high. I personally have a great deal of empathy for those who have, none the less, I feel I am constrained to speak the truth about this issue.

Secondly, in regards to your opinion that I am "prepared to sacrifice the liberty of everyone for the life of the unborn." I still think you are begging the question. The unborn are part of the "everyone". I am not for the sacrificing of anyone's liberty, I am only arguing for the equal protection of rights for "everyone", including the unborn.

I still say "no one has yet given a remotely satisfying answer, as to why an unborn child should be denied the status, and thereby the rights, of a fully human being." You have not offered any here, and I am unsure as to what specific horrors you foresee if the unborn were granted equal protection. I'm sure Starbucks will manage just fine. Was it the anti-abortionists that caused all that trouble at the WTO? Some things would no doubt change but I doubt the sky would fall in.

Got to run, nice chatting with you Karen.
Have a good day.
Greg



To: Lane3 who wrote (6000)2/18/2001 10:18:16 PM
From: TimF  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 82486
 
The second point is about cost. I put a higher priority on liberty than you apparently do so. You are apparently prepared to sacrifice the liberty of everyone for the life of the unborn. Wow.

I know you didn't post this to me but..

I am not prepared to sacrifice the liberty of everyone because I don't think people's right to liberty extents to the right to intentionally kill innocent people.

Tim