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To: epicure who wrote (145)	2/18/2001 11:59:32 AM
From: Raymond Duray	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 51710

"This fertility cultishness (found in all primitive religions- and all our religions on earth are fairly primitive) is obviously beneficial to non-technological people with survival rates lower than ours, and a need for manual labor higher than ours." It is the case that whenever a society achieves greater affluence that fertility rates decline dramatically. This is largely a result of greater access to information by women, who, I suspect, are not as inclined as husbands in third world situations to spawn as copiously as they have been. Frankly, I'm not sure just what sort of barriers the first world ought to erect to immigration from hopeless populations, such as the Kurds who were shipwrecked on the Riviera yesterday. I'm beginning to feel that the first world is going to be given no choice but to set up impenetrable barriers to entry of the "alien hordes". For surely if the poor of the world are allowed to freely migrate, they will merely perpetuate the population imbalance that created their economic crisis in the first place. We, as a species, have simply got to begin to say no to the maladaptive and irrational blooming of surplus people. China has a sensible one child policy. Of course, the lesser educated rural masses have grossly violated the spirit of that law and created a disgusting criminal enterprise of shipping these surplus people to other countries in surruptitious style. This is anathema to me. I don't want the US to give amnesty to this sort of person, who is merely the result of the willful disregard of legal standards in the source country. Time for us all to stiffen our resolve to admit that the era when the US could successfully exploit (under the rubric of freedom) the "tired, huddled masses" of the world is over. R.

To: epicure who wrote (145)	2/18/2001 6:55:54 PM
From: hobo	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 51710

This fertility cultishness (found in all primitive religions- and all our religions on earth are fairly primitive) is obviously beneficial to non-technological people with survival rates lower than ours, and a need for manual labor higher than ours. Ah yes, but that has been my point all along... The ones in power or in command of the religious policies are not really that primitive, --given their level of education--. Yet they clearly continue to command their troops with the same antiquated rules. That is what makes them evil, at least from my perspective. They simply choose to ignore facts and evidence that suggest, at the very least, to promote a healthy and more extensive sexual education together with a generous distribution of contraceptives. No doubt that a bunch of "love-globes" are far less expensive than a bunch of "love-children". -ggg- Perhaps that sickening belief that guilt and suffering is a must in order to live a "rewarding life" is what compels them not to see things clearly ?