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To: Dave who wrote (9979)2/20/2001 8:19:55 AM
From: Bosco  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 14638
 
<edited><ot>Hi Dave - I ve no problem understanding Jack's position with regard to the *speediness* of recession. The smart ones see one coming and decide to bite the bullet by throwing all the dirty laundry in a Q or 2. The slow ones, like slow investors like myself <g>, cling on to the hope something better will turn up, thus prolonging the inevitable demise. No doubt we ve heard of the "water torture." The question is, are there enough smart ones around to bite the bullet. Recession capitulation, if you will.

With regard to the deficit and the bond mkt, I thought the reason the long bond has been so low even while Chmn Greenspan was raising the rate is b/c of the supply and demand issue. Isn't that indicative of the scenario that the govt was printing less? I would be interested if you would offer some data to back up your claim that the govt has been issuing more bond. TIA. <edited>In the mean time, here is a related story about treasury

washingtonpost.com

best, Bosco



To: Dave who wrote (9979)2/21/2001 3:33:22 AM
From: jack bittner  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 14638
 
as i've written, i think we have slowdowns because mass psychology changes - for reasons no one may ever know - sunspots? whatever. before high technology enabled execs to see quickly what's happening, sales would dry up, inventory would pile up, and then the slowdown would lengthen because they'd have all this stuff to sell for whatever price they could get. i think this time the execs had quick notice that sales had slowed, and everybody cut back production real quick. so we have this slowdown without inventory piled up. thus we have a speedier, almost sudden DROP. but, without the excess inventory, we'll come out in less time than formerly. no, if we'd had slower, clumsier reaction we'd have had less notice of what was going on, so production would've stayed high, but inventory would've been piling up unnoticed. then, when it was realized, we'd have the drop plus the excess inventory. this is all a matter of degree. i think we'll come out sooner than we would've without all the data our ceo's have, but that doesn't mean we'll get better tomorrow. no one can know how long a worldwide psychological malaise will last. but without the inventory pile-up, it will - i think - not be a severe recession. go back to 1990, all the experts (same bunch) were saying Greenspan can't "push on a string", and that lowering rates won't work. watch out especially for the bunch from Morgan Stanley, they've predicted 10 of the last zero recessions. how do they survive always being wrongly bearish? they are either No. 1 or No. 2 in program trading - the other is GS - and they thrive on volatility.
they want you frightened so you'll jump out and in.
here's some encouragement:
CHICAGO (Reuters) - Wal-Mart Stores Inc. and Home Depot Inc., two bellwethers of consumer spending, met fiscal fourth-quarter profit estimates and maintained first-quarter forecasts on Tuesday, helping to relieve investor worries about the U.S. economy and sparking a rally in retail stocks.

"Not only were January retail sales very robust, we're also seeing housing starts come back," said Bank One Corp. Chief Economist Diane Swonk. "This solidified the view that the consumer -- as much as they might be scared about the future -- their current finances are hanging in there fine and actions speak louder than words."

Both Wal-Mart and Home Depot were not likely to say they were comfortable with first-quarter earnings forecasts if February sales were not tracking as expected, which means consumers are still comfortable making purchases, Swonk said.

you may ask how the above squares with low consumer sentiment. the average yuld gets ALL his information from tv newsbites. he doesn't read. he's asked if he's pessimistic about the future and he repeats what he just
heard from the yo-yo's on tv. then he goes out to Walmart and buys a second tv.
we actually reduced the amount of U.S. bonds outstanding, and we are stopping issuing 30-year bonds. i don't want to do the work to research a lot about the deficit, because that whole process will be destroyed this year by Busch's excessive tax cut and the feeding frenzy the venal pol's in Congress will indulge in to make it worse.