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To: Broken_Clock who wrote (14257)	2/22/2001 4:04:45 PM
From: The Ox	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 14427

Hiya Papy! Lots of doom and gloom lately, that's for sure. I hope all is well out there in the pacific! Thanks for the article and the links.

To: Broken_Clock who wrote (14257)	2/22/2001 11:30:23 PM
From: Walkingshadow	Respond to of 14427

Papaya, Interesting. Particularly ironic was the Hitler quote. << Ever since its inception, US government has been the plaything of the rich. In short, we now have the best government money can buy. >> I would fully agree however the modifier U.S. is unecessary and could be deleted. Except among historians, it is a little-known fact that the American "Revolution" had virtually nothing whatever to do with tyranny and freedom. That simply provided the propaganda vehicle. Even a cursory analysis of the "reasons" given in the Declaration of Independence---within the context of the times---cannot help to convince any reader that the pretext given was at best very weak. Instead, as is so often the case with revolutions, it had everything to do with the power ambitions of the upper class colonists and the roadblocks placed in their paths by the upper class British; also relevant (and related) was the enormous debt burden owed to British banking interests, particularly among the agricultural aristocracy of the South. The Revolution provided a wonderful way to erase that debt in one fell swoop, and thus earned their whole-hearted support. At the time of the Revolution, most historians that I've read estimate that only about one-third of the population of the colonies supported the Revolution, another third were indifferent, and the other third were dead-set against it. And virtually nobody felt they had less personal freedom than Englishmen in Britain enjoyed---rather, they had significantly more freedom---and the facts overwhelmingly support this perception, IMHO. The devastating success at convincing huge numbers of people at the time and for generations to come otherwise is virtually indisputable testimony to the enormous talent of the propaganda minds behind the Revolution, who could have given even Hitler a lesson or two, I suspect. JMVHO, of course........ Walkingshadow