To: Gottfried who wrote (16800 ) 2/24/2001 11:09:07 AM From: mr.mark Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 110652 hi gottfried i like that you kept a log so that you knew exactly what you had tried. the sign of a truly orderly mind. and i know you feel great about the modem driver being the cure."Undated downloads, hints and tips are one my gripes" you're preaching to the choir, man. but even beyond that is when the above items are dated but folks don't factor that in. and factoring it in is not always so easy. sometimes dates on articles or tips, like dates on a carton of milk, permit you to know in a glance if the shelf life of the item has come and gone. other times, not so easy. some things last forever. they apply across a broad range of operating systems and seem to be in effect for years. the more i ponder what you've said, the more i am of the opinion that dated material can be as prone to trouble as not. recent items here on this thread alluding to security holes in both netscape and norton products were both outdated, but still caused a flurry of activity."After installation I did see a date, but not before" i would say the same about readme.txt files. the install of a new program is complete and what pops up on your desk top? a dialog saying that you'll need to restart your computer for the installation to take effect, but first, would you like to view the readme file! and then, like i just had happen the other day, the readme file contains objectionable items that make you wish you had never installed the darn program to begin with. if you ask me, the readme file should be available in all instances first, prior to loading. in fairness to mister softee, i notice that most of their stuff is heavy in upfront material, as is netscape now that i think about it. i always avail myself of the readme files and release notes if i have a crack at them before installing! good topic, gott :) mark