To: TimF who wrote (6543 ) 2/27/2001 5:25:06 PM From: 2MAR$ Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 82486 " Wow what a logical fact filled refutation of my argument. I am in awe, truly in awe.. What you call logic depends on which juju rattle the witch doctor wants to wave over the fire. I am pleased your in awe , I'm an impressionistic visionary.. What happened in CA is that the rate the utilities could charge for electricity was capped while the rate they had to pay was not. Remove the cap and reduce red tape and legal delay associated with creating new generation capacity and the situation will be resolved. You are naive , more temporary fixes ? Which "new generation" capacity are you talking about ? Nuclear ? Wind ? Solar? There are no more rivers to damn . Agriculture is maxxed out & water is maxxed out . You are going to build enough de-salination plants to make a difference? (not a bad idea , I'll be glad to send you construction costs & the $100bil/yr tax bills for running them ) Topsoil loss is critical , toxic salt build-ups are reaching critical levels . And the situation quietely goes from bad to worse with no solution in sight.So the stock market has done poorly for the better part of a year and we might be entering a cyclical recession. Do you take this as a sign that human economic growth has stopped? I think you are in for a rude awakening, it is more than just cyclical ...the boom has gone bust . Effeciency in manufacturing has peaked , demand will be falling off everywhere. Technology cannot flourish if the basic manufacturing and consumer markets they serve are dead . Biotechnology focusses on extending life which is marvelous , but also impacts that zero-growth model , more people living longer every day. Now go on and tell me just how much viable sustainable living space there is and there are no problems with overpopulation , or dwindling resources... I'll check back with you every 6mos , hope you had a profitable day in the market . You can kiss my juju rattle now. Mars PS: I am so glad to know that you were one of the first 40 years ago to champion the idea of recylcing. I am sure in the 1960's you were right there on the forefront of the movement <gg>