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Politics : Sharks in the Septic Tank -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: cosmicforce who wrote (6717)	2/27/2001 1:47:47 PM
From: Solon	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 82486

the third order refinement involves (here we go, Solon et al.), stewardship Cosmic, old friend. Don't confuse the RIGHT to be free (which means to be immoral and mistaken at times) with the moral choices that reasonable people probably ought to make. Morality and good are not necessarily the same. If it rains in a drought that is good, but it is neither moral nor immoral. Morality requires a choice. People (and societies) don't always make caring or decent or moral choices. I love to help animals, but let me tell you a cruel thing I did when I was young and stupid. I came across a mother and her ducklings and I took the duckling home. I knew nothing about waterproofing their wings, so all my finest intentions to make the duckling happy killed it with pneumonia. Because of my ignorance I did a cruel and immoral action. Perhaps there is something in that story that might explain what I have been arguing about?

To: cosmicforce who wrote (6717)	2/27/2001 2:51:45 PM
From: TimF	Respond to of 82486

Religious hegemony comes to mind. Just because most people think something is a good idea, doesn't mean it is. Would this law take into account religious and cultural differences? I'm not sure exactly what you mean. There where a number of different laws that Karen posted about. Some require waiting periods or a don't give you a discount if you don't take some marriage preparation course but none of them actually require it. The covenant marriage is completely voluntary. I would say they take into account religious differences by not requiring anyone to take a preparation course of a to have a covenant marriage. If your religion is against the ideas embodied in these laws you don't have to use them, then the most you will be forced to do is pay an extra $10 or wait three days to get married, if you don't want to do that I guess you could always go to Vegas (which would of course cost a lot more then $10) Tim