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To: cosmicforce who wrote (7132)	3/2/2001 12:55:36 PM
From: Lane3	Respond to of 82486

I really would like to know at what point the logic of the pro-Life camp declares that this "human being" becomes human. I think the problem is that there's no consensus within that camp. It's probably more important to us than to them because we're trying to get our heads around the basic concept of the personhood of the unborn. For those who accept that bottom line intuitively (or however), the need to identify an exact point is not important yet. If you're planning to drive from Las Vegas to a meeting in Cincinnati, you can leave Las Vegas without knowing the exact street address of the meeting in Cincinnati. The earliest you'd need to know that would be some time after you reached Ohio. If the pro-lifers were to be successful in making abortion illegal in the third or the second trimester, then they would focus on that exact point of personhood for the next round of legislation. Right now they're still in Las Vegas. Karen

To: cosmicforce who wrote (7132)	3/2/2001 2:56:18 PM
From: Greg or e	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 82486

Hi Cos Good question, but it's not just pro-life that needs to answer it. Biologically it is an easy answer. Life begins at conception. When that life is deemed worthy of inclusion into the human race is really what all the arguing is about. "there must be some place where it isn't human and some place where it is." If you are free to choose your own cut off, then who's to say that a person who wants to sacrifice their two year old to Satan is wrong? Life begins at conception. I see no reason to believe that life to be any less than human. Every other criteria for determining this fails on one level or another, and comes off as just being arbitrary. Have a good day. Greg

To: cosmicforce who wrote (7132)	3/2/2001 3:11:08 PM
From: Greg or e	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 82486

"Probably 2/3 of all conceptions end with an "abortion" using their definition." Oh by the way, since I got called on referring to the unborn as a child, I think it's only fair to point out that you are mixing up the definitions of abortion with that of a miscarriage. The distinction being that an abortion as it has been used here, is the premeditated disruption of the natural process of life and birth resulting in the death of the unborn human. A miscarriage on the other hand is something that happens, but it is neither planed, nor implemented. Apples and oranges if you ask me. Greg