To: Math Junkie who wrote (12682 ) 3/2/2001 5:24:22 PM From: Rillinois Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 42834 Richard Palm, Re: Ad hominem arguments are INVALID! Agreed. And so are red herrings. Re: There is NO ONE, not one single person, who has never gotten a fact wrong. Not me, not Rillinois... Speak for yourself. I am very careful to research my facts before I post information. I challenge you to find anything that I have posted as a fact that is erroneous. Re: So can we please stick to the issues? I believe anything Bob Brinker related is open field. Re: My credibility, Rillinois' credibility, geode's credibility, etc. are IRRELEVANT. Are you high? How can credibility be irrelevant? Re: The only thing that matters is whether the assertions of fact are capable of verification. Some things aren't verifiable. (ie: what Bob may have said on the radio before archives on the internet, what may have been written in his newsletter before someone subscribed,...) This is why credibility is relevant. Re: By that I mean that it is possible to check it via independent sources. Not everyone has access to independent sources. (ie: a library that has back issues going back x years, tapes of old radio programs, notes from Bob's appearances at various charity events,...) Again this is why credibility is relevant. Re: This is how we can learn from each other: by challenging each other's assumptions, checking each other's facts, and examining each other's logic. While there is truth to what you are saying, some people hide behind this idea in order to cause commotion and confusion. Re: But trying to shout each other down every time somebody admits to an error is NOT WORKING. First of all, not many people admit to errors, which is part of the problem. And second, I believe exposing liars and those that have agendas to perpetuate lies works very well. Best Regards. Rillinois