To: tejek who wrote (133972 ) 3/3/2001 8:40:52 AM From: hmaly Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 1570657 Ted. However, where the disconnect comes for me, is that this is a man who took some amazing stands while in office when he didn't have to; a man who hired quality people [one of which I knew thru personal experience] when he didn't have to. You may not agree with his views but you have to respect the man's courage<<<<<<< I agree that Bill on the legislative side was a good president. Amazing stands is stretching it, but he was a good president legislatively. But why the disconnect. Doesn't it stand to reason that a person known for his intellect in one area would also apply that intellect to another area. Why wouldn't you assume that if Bill is extremely intelligent and innovative in one area, that he wouldn't be in another area; collecting campaign contributions for instance. To me, it seems obvious, that a brilliant statesman could have been a brilliant CEO or a brilliant general or a brilliant con artist. If you have the intellect for one, you should have the intellect for the other? The problem isn't that Bill is corrupt by nature, but politics itself is corrupt. And just as Bill was on the leading edge as far as his policies and innovative ideas go, he also was on the leading edge with the corrupt side of politics. Many of the things Bill is accused of, have been done by others, including the republicans, but you have to admit, Bill has come up with new and innovative ideas in raising money; and that is the problem because politics itself has become so corrupt. Politics has blurred the line between right and wrong, by declaring that campaign contributions are somehow, someway; an expression of free speech, rather than what it is, a bribe. Bill with his intellect and reasoning blurred that line to the max. Beyond that, he gave most of his life to public service when he didn't have to and when every damn fool knows you can't make squat working for gov't. <<<<<<< What kind of justification is that? There are many underpaid workers, not just gov. employees, who would make better money if they switched to a better job. Farmers as a group are way underpaid. Construction is now, as well truck drivers etc. But there are a lot of workers, including gov. employees who couldn't handle being electrical eng. or being doctors or lawyers. As far as gov. employees, as a group, they are better off than some professions; worse than others. But, you get what you pay for; they pretend to do good work, and we pretend to give them good pay . <<<<<<His greatest offense was that he fooled with Lewinsky who btw is not a minor.....and for that he should have our sympathy, not our mockery.<<<<<<< Sympathy????? Why??? Was Bill asleep in his office, fooling around with his boner when Monica snuck up on him and devoured it when he wasn't looking? That is a senseless statement. Maybe you can say, Bill got punished far more than he deserved, but to try to imply he was duped and a hapless victom is nuts. The man did his best in servitude for his country....I can't say the same for the people attacking him. <<<<<<< Is taking donations from the chinese doing the best he can for our country? Is taking money from drug dealers and gun runners doing the best he can. Is doing an end run around the justice dept for the pardons doing the best he can do for the country. Is having numerous affairs the best he can do for his country? In some areas Bill did well for the country; but in other areas, he stunk up the place. and I will tell you straight up dubya is barely half the man Clinton is.<<<<<<< Whether Dubya is half the man or not isn't the point. The point is, if Dubya is half the politician ; is he then, by reasoning half the crook?