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Politics : Sharks in the Septic Tank -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Neocon who wrote (7285)	3/4/2001 10:22:34 AM
From: Solon	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 82486

Secondly, those of us in society have every right to disapprove of those who behave in so stupid a manner, especially if they are parasitic on society. Just one more thing to admire in those who refuse to make CLAIMS upon others, but are free to contribute voluntarily toward whomever they choose. It is they who are restoring dignity to the parasite known as Homo sapiens--and even the stupid may benefit from these gifts.

To: Neocon who wrote (7285)	3/4/2001 10:58:02 AM
From: Lane3	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 82486

Well, so much for that agreement! As I suggested to X, down deep I knew it wasn't real. <g> When I use the phrase "stake in society", I thought we were talking about a stake in the particular society of our shared vision into which we commit, not a monolithic, prepackaged moral society into which all are inculcated. In my model, there would be those who buy in, those who opt out, and those who buy into some different vision. You don't really accept even a binary (in/out)model. Yours is that "my way or the highway" model to which one can "question...critique...rebel" but apparently never dislodge or escape from. Secondly, those of us in society have every right to disapprove of those who behave in so stupid a manner, especially if they are parasitic on society. I disagree that society has any business of disapproving of any beliefs, values, or behaviors that are merely different. My society would embrace differences. The more color and texture to society the better. Individuals within that society can disapprove of anything they want. Individuals can disapprove of stupid people. I certainly do. An individual can be appalled that someone would wear white shoes before Memorial Day. Society, however, has no business doing so. And most definitely society, in the form of the government, has no business doing so. Society, however, has no obligation to support parasites or to give any special deference to those who opt out. Well, Neo, it was fun while it lasted. I hope that you have come away from our discussion with some greater appreciation of the importance of stake and buy-in. Despite inculcation, social pressure, and all the other forces of society to achieve conformity, large numbers of worthwhile people won't buy into your prepackaged set of morals either because they disagree with some of them or just because they entertain that charming old notion that they're free to choose. Karen