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To: Diamond Jim who wrote (129066)3/4/2001 7:12:58 PM
From: Dan3  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 186894
 
Re: How could N.O.W. back a rapist?

How could the religious right back a cocaine dealer, arranger of prison murders, and convicted drunk driver (who lied about his drunk driving record, and learned to say "no comment" when asked about his cocaine dealing).

Unless, perhaps, some of these accusations from both sides are a bit misleading. Maybe not even completely accurate?

What do you think a multi-year, 50 million dollar investigation, unfettered by the bill of rights, supported by 6 figure offers of cash from secret 3rd parties to encourage "witnesses", would turn up on our current President?

Then a show trial from which the prosecuting congressmen had to withdraw one after the other as it became clear that they had engaged in the same behavior for years.

The Stazi would be proud.

Maybe it's time to give this whole thing a rest.

Dan



To: Diamond Jim who wrote (129066)3/4/2001 8:07:21 PM
From: Paul Engel  Respond to of 186894
 
Jim - Re: "How could N.O.W. back a rapist? So long as Slick had women in his cabinet, other women don't care if he rapes a few of them. Nothing matters so long as it was a woman in power, kind of like the incompetent ceo at mattel(she is gone now). "

Well said.

The N.O.W. revealed themselves as a bunch of "quacks".

Paul



To: Diamond Jim who wrote (129066)3/7/2001 4:35:11 AM
From: Amy J  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 186894
 
Diamond Jim, OT OT OT RE: "How could N.O.W. back a rapist?"

I read the press release from N.O.W. From it, I didn't gain the impression they extended their support to him after the trial. I do think they were too quiet about disapproving his behavior. They issued a press release indicating they disapproved, but that was all.

RE: "So long as Slick had women in his cabinet, other women don't care if he rapes a few of them."

I think the fact he is married to Hillary, a particularly assertive individual, gave an initial impression that the stories of his conduct were rumors.

The incident that I felt really needed to be investigated was the incident about the lady whose husband had just lost his job and Clinton reportedly attacked this lady on the same day, when she was sharing this news with him in response to his question about her well-being. I believe the article had said, after she came home and told her husband what had happened, her husband committed suicide. It was a tragedy. I never understood why that incident was not investigated, or why the media didn't focus on it.

RE: "kind of like the incompetent ceo at mattel(she is gone now)."

Toby Lenk, President, CEO of eToys: he announced plans for bankruptcy filings on February 26, 2001.

My point is to illustrate that failure (or success) should be considered on merit, and criticism should be gender-free. No individual (male or female) would want a CEO (male or female) in charge that is incompetent.

To provide you perspective on why it's a big deal when a woman gains a top seat, it is because it impacts a statistic that measures where our society is today with gender equality.

These types of measurements should not be confused with a desire to have incompetent CEOs (as you had implied), but rather as a desire to have an advanced society, where both genders or races participate equally. It should also not be confused with a desire to have only women leaders. It is simply a desire to have equality in society at all levels, including the top.

Of course, even with everyone's good intentions, establishing equality is difficult, for a variety of reasons (corporate culture, education, network, etc.).

Currently, our society's women, in general, lack power, with very disturbing statistics like:
.5% F500 CEOs are women
~10% VCs are women
~4% high-tech backed founders are women
5% of the world's personal money is controlled by women, the other 95% is controlled by men

The government recently interviewed thousands of founders of high-tech startups that are women. They then narrowed the search to only those that had received funding for that particular calendar year. One day I had the realization: they could have fit all of us in one bus. There are so few.

I was asked to be a part of this study and I was incredibly excited to be a part of it, because I felt it gave me an opportunity to have some impact for fixing the problem. When they asked me for my opinion, I articulated pretty clearly on what is needed. They devoted an entire page to this too, which was really cool. Of course, it isn't good until it is implemented.

Regards,
Amy J