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To: DlphcOracl who wrote (48453)	3/5/2001 8:47:51 PM
From: Dennis O'Bell	Respond to of 57584

OT I also graduated in 1967 from a HS on Long Island. I recall in junior high the time a few trouble makers showed up in the school from NYC, for one week they disrupted things and one even picked a fight with a teacher. That week was all it took and they were both gone! Such taking control of the situation would likely be unthinkable today. In fact when my youngest brother graduated in the early 70's, there were plain clothes cops and I was frisked before being allowed in to the ceremony, the change was already night and day from my own graduation. But I feel that a quality public school system is extremely important for this country, the solution is not to give up and have everyone (who can afford it) go to private schools.

To: DlphcOracl who wrote (48453)	3/5/2001 11:27:57 PM
From: B.Long	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 57584

OT to DlphcOracl: While I very much respect your investing acumen, I must strongly disagree with your comments regarding this issue. The concept of grouping children together as least accomplished, most accomplished, retarded, attention deficit disorder, or any other label differing them from the “elite” population, is in effect negating them as human beings. I believe this process is archaic, demonstrating a total lack of compassion and humanity. History has revealed many notorious leaders that started with this same “innocent doctrine”, first we classify, separate, and negate. And while this may be the easy answer to a serious problem, it lacks the resolve we should have for our fellow human beings in sharing and developing the high IQ, compassion, love, and aptitude we would exclude them from. I am reminded of a 13 yr. old boy in Wichita, KS. He kept police at bay for 5 hours, occupying an empty room with an unloaded gun, before giving up. When questioned as to why he had done such a thing, he responded “they put me in a special room away from my friends and now they call me retarded, I just want to be like the rest of the kids.” He had been labeled with attention deficit disorder. I was certainly dismayed at his behavioral response, but amazed as well at his ability to stay focused for 5 hours considering his diagnosis. Respectfully, B.Long

To: DlphcOracl who wrote (48453)	3/6/2001 5:45:22 AM
From: chowder	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 57584

DO, when I went to HS in Boston, there were a couple of public schools where you had to pass an exam in order to attend. Boston Latin was one, Boston Tech the other. (I went to Tech.) I can't remember if Boston English required one to pass an exam. Those were the days when the words "quality education" had meaning. I recall reading a Time magazine article back in the early 70's that stated a HS education at one of the schools named above was the equivalent of a college education elsewhere. They didn't play around back then, you either performed or you went to a neighborhood HS. I agree with this concept as I'm a strong believer of working with your strengths. Although this may seem cruel and uncaring to some, I believe it's just as cruel and uncaring to hold others back for the sake of those who can't keep up. Wrt the weather, you fellows can have it. It was in the 60's here in SC yesterday. I only travel back to Boston during the summer months, to see my folks. When you fellows were braving the blizzard of 78, I was getting a suntan by the pool. <ggg> dabum

To: DlphcOracl who wrote (48453)	3/6/2001 9:52:48 AM
From: Mark Konrad	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 57584

OTDO, Marlinman, and others who responded re public education: Thank you for your comments and personal experiences! My lovely new wife of barely three months and I frequently discuss all aspects of raising a family (which is increasingly becoming our greatest goal) and education is among our top concerns. It's one of the many reasons we have both become as active as we are in our local parish. Fortunately, our neighborhood Catholic church has a terrific elementary school and the well-regarded Notre Dame High School is also not far away. This is not to slam all public schools and their teachers but I do believe choice, competition and measurable standards for behavior and academic achievement are every bit as important for education as for business. Thank you all again--MK--