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Politics : Sharks in the Septic Tank -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?


To: Greg or e who wrote (7632)3/6/2001 1:22:45 PM
From: epicure  Respond to of 82486
 
rofl



To: Greg or e who wrote (7632)3/6/2001 1:36:00 PM
From: average joe  Respond to of 82486
 
What if "What if this is as good as it gets?" is good enough? Just because you are unhappy with your existence might mean you have a flawed epistemology, which should make you examine your basic premises. Christ never promised the things you say he did. Existentialism does not preclude God it acknowledges you have a free will (remember free will from the bible Greg) to decide how you want to spend you own one existence. If you choose to chase miracles and squander your one existence that is your business but if you seek to impose your "values" on someone else your own Christian God will smite you. And I'll smite you to.



To: Greg or e who wrote (7632)3/6/2001 3:54:43 PM
From: Lane3  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 82486
 
I am concerned for peoples Souls, yours included. That seems to make
me some sort of monster around here.


Greg, I don't think you're any sort of a monster. And I appreciate your concern for me.

You seem like most of the people here, to be a very nice person.

You seem to be a nice person as well.

There are three circumstances when I can be a little rough on the religious. One is when they diss people like me. Regarding this question, there are four kinds of people in the world: nice religious, nice secular, not-nice religious, and not-nice non-religious. There is an inherent prejudice in much of the religious community that not-nice religious people are morally superior to nice secular people. I think it's just fine to apply that criterion for entry into heaven, but here on earth, it's insulting and stupid. Who would you rather have as a neighbor, a criminal who believes or a secular who looks out for you and wouldn't dream of taking what isn't his? Just like any victim of prejudice, I react against that. Sometimes I post just to demonstrate that secular people can be good friends, neighbors, and citizens, too.

Another time I'm hard on the religious is when their political operatives try to impose essentially religious mores on the rest of us through law. Blue laws, sodomy laws, and prayer in school are some obvious examples. Religious people sometimes don't distinguish between broadly accepted cultural values and those specific to their religions.

The third situation is the one Cosmic was talking about where religion gets in the way of our progress or well being. We all have our idiosyncrasies. I admit that I find it odd that, in this day and age, so many people orient their lives around old superstitions. I don't mind that they do; I find a little oddity in people quite charming. And if it gives them purpose or comfort, that's great. [I hope you don't take offense at the word, superstition. I'm just trying to be straight-forward and clear.] Religious beliefs are inherently rigid. People are entitled to their beliefs to a point. When rigid beliefs threaten progress unduly, I have to take exception.

Now that I've said that, I hope you don't think me a monster.

Karen