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To: tejek who wrote (134170)	3/6/2001 3:29:14 PM
From: TimF	Respond to of 1573718

The weapons that these kids had at Columbine were not stuff that had been lying around for a few years. I don't remember if they had uzi's but they did have some pretty hi-powered weaponry....the kind you would expect would only be available in the inner city. Shotguns would have been easier to get and just as deadly if not more so. Wasn't it only about 7 years ago that a TX mother killed her daughter's rival on the cheerleading squad? Its very scary this need to be popular! The need to be popular isn't really new even if it might go a bit further then it used to. What is scary to me is the lack of concern for the lives and well being of others. Tim

To: tejek who wrote (134170)	3/6/2001 3:52:47 PM
From: JohnD	Respond to of 1573718

Ted, The point I was trying to make was that legislation has not/will not solve societal problems. Examples; liquor - available, despite ever increasing laws, fines, prohibition, etc. cigarettes - same story, but matured into an excellent source of revenue for all levels of govt. gambling - similar situation. BTW, Massachusetts lottery sales=over $17. PER WEEK for every man, woman, and child guns - same story. New Glock or 22cal. long, no difference. If you cant buy or steal, you can rent~ "illegal"drugs - worst of all. Street drug prices are lower, despite 30 billion/yr. spent. We pay countries/growers to cut supply,as well. We also fill our prisons with millions of users and do almost nothing re. drug treatment, in prisons OR schools. I feel that any/all of the above are available to anyone regardless of legality - If they have the desire. Ask around, if you doubt me. Ask a cop, a teacher, or your children. - All of these "issues" have been/are being legislated constantly - with little/no, or reverse effects being reached, IMHO. Hiring more police, prison & border guards, inspectors, etc. has not solved/reduced the problems. It appears that we keep doing the same things over and over again, expecting a new completely different result. Isn't that one definition of insanity? BTW, there are other "social issues" we have tried to legislate out of existence, such as poverty - umpteen billions spent since the '60's, resulting in a greater % of children living below below the poverty level almost 40 years later. We obviously need societal changes. History seems to indicate that politicians, lawyers, and govt. apparently are incapable of bringing about these changes, and frequently may make the situation far worse. Decades of effort by our govt., and many hundreds of trillions of $ have been wasted to demonstrate this conclusion. I don't believe that any one person, party or group has the correct solution to our problems. I do believe that we can learn what has the least/worst chance of success from what we have been through up to this point~ JohnD-who feels that Columbine was sadly used as media hype by/for both political parties and ESPECIALLY the media. PS. I'm also tired of the subject :)

To: tejek who wrote (134170)	3/6/2001 5:39:10 PM
From: d[-_-]b	Respond to of 1573718

tejek, re: The weapons that these kids had at Columbine were not stuff that had been lying around for a few years. I don't remember if they had uzi's but they did have some pretty hi-powered weaponry....the kind you would expect would only be available in the inner city. Here's what they used in Columbine, just in case you wanted facts: denverpost.com Two shotguns, and two 9mm weapons - one a carbine the other a pistol. The shotguns were pretty old, the TEC-9 and the Hi-Point carbine on the other hand are pretty new.