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To: foundation who wrote (9702)	3/6/2001 2:23:31 PM
From: slacker711	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 34857

Is there truly a health issue? Who cares. The fourth estate will render that point moot. The fourth estate will have no idea what numbers they are actually looking for. The general spirit of ALL of the EMC standards revolves around testing the worst case mode under which the product will actually be used. There is wide latitude given to the engineer to determine what the setup for the product will be. Unless manufacturers are forced to (by a particular standard), they will likely test the handset in GSM mode for the SAR data. This is would be within both the legality and the spirit of the standards. I think that an application that involves transmitting data while the phone is next to your head would have to be prevalent before the phone was tested next to your head. JMO....but I did work as an EMC engineer for a couple of years. Slacker EDIT....EMC Engineer-Electro-Magnetic Compatability...the guys who make sure that your CD player doesnt interfere with your TV (or do SAR testing).

To: foundation who wrote (9702)	3/6/2001 2:51:09 PM
From: S100	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 34857

<4 bonded channels incoming - requiring 4x power (resultant reported problems with power consumption and battery drain) - and emitting a corresponding increase in radiation.> Silly me, I confused the transmitter and receiver, my my. Thanks for the correction. OT Qwest recalls some cellphones Customers to get free month By Jeff Smith, News Staff Writer A new $200 cellular phone used by 11,000 Qwest customers in 12 states is being recalled because some units might exceed federal radiation emission standards under certain conditions. Qwest Communications International Inc. said Monday that Kyocera Wireless this week will be exchanging the new QCP-3035 model, which Qwest started selling in December. The phone has such features as voice-activated dialing, a built-in speaker phone, Internet browsing and an eight-line display for animation and graphics. "Kyocera notified us (of the problem)," said Tyler Gronbach, Qwest spokesman. "They are initiating an exchange program, which we're helping support. It's the right thing to do. It's proactive and a voluntary exchange." Rich Goetter, spokesman for Kyocera Wireless in San Diego, said the company found that the microwave emissions in some units could exceed Federal Communications Commission standards when the phone is in the analog roaming mode and is on certain channels. That could happen when a customer goes off the digital telephone network, such as in a rural area, elevator or tunnel. Goetter characterized the exchange as a "replacement" rather than a recall and said Qwest is the first carrier to offer the QCP-3035 model. "We expect to roll it out with other carriers nationwide later this year," he said. Cellphones generate electromagnetic radiation, or energy that travels in waves. While there continues to be dispute over whether exposure over time can cause health problems such as cancer, the FCC has adopted standards for protecting against possible injury from radio frequency radiation. Acute exposure to microwaves, for example, can raise a person's body temperature. More than 80 million Americans now use cellular phones, with about 25,000 new users daily. Many experts point out that this could mean a potentially significant public health problem should the prolonged use of these devices even slightly increase health risks. Gronbach said Qwest customers will be notified this morning of the exchange program through a data message to their phones. Kyocera will ship the new QCP-3035 units directly to customers this week. "For their inconvenience, Qwest will automatically credit to customers a month of free service at their current price plan," Gronbach said. Kyocera is paying for that program, Goetter said. About 1 percent of Qwest's wireless customers in 12 states have the advanced Kyocera model, which is manufactured in San Diego. Kyocera itself is based in Japan. The QCP-3035, which weighs 4.37 ounces and measures slightly less than 5 inches long and two inches wide, also has a directory that can hold 1,000 phone numbers, a calculator, alarm clock, stopwatch and timer.

To: foundation who wrote (9702)	3/6/2001 6:15:26 PM
From: 49thMIMOMander	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 34857

Ben, maybe I was mistaken, so let's walk through the basics: > 4+2 > 4 channels incoming - to handset, base station transmits, yes?? > 2 channels back - handset transmits, yes?? > 4 bonded channels incoming - requiring 4x power (resultant > reported problems with power consumption and battery > drain) - and emitting a corresponding increase in > radiation. Correction " ..draining)- and the base station emits.." In case the base station runs on battery it will obviously also drain the batteries of the base station. (for example when the 110V is cut off) Incredible how one get things totally wrong when not even using a carefully planted "it" to have an intellectually honest excuse. --- What's your best guess on the amount of: - battery power, and/or - radiated (transmitted RF) power that it takes for a handset to - transmit and/or - receive (clue, the word _transmit_. I know it is difficult to handle 2 things, 4 words at the same time correctly, but give it a try, practice _talking_ and _listening_ with somebody, but avoid doing it on cocktail parties) -- One can get a very good measure of both of these modes (talking and listening) by comparing the standard talk and stand-by times of a regular GSM phone. - talking (both _transmitting_ and receiving), some 2 hours - standby (only receiving), some 100-200 hours Note that to be able to pling-plong an incoming call within reasonable times the handset has to receive and detect messages like "no incoming call" and "incoming call" every now and then (every second). Although there isn't any incoming call the handset still have to listen if there is one (very important point, difficult for some) That is, the total receive path, RF-IF-AGC-DSP-protocol must be up and running to check for an incoming call, even if there isn't one, _BUT_ _NOT_ _THE_ _TRANSMITTER_! Ilmarinen. P.S. So once more, it is _transmitting_ which uses, produces RF "power" to do just that, to _transmit_ (like to _talk_) Receiving (like listening) does not "drain the battery" nor produce high power RF signals (radiation, but not alpha, gamma nor beta, but RF) In 4+2 the "4" is for the handset "listening", the "2" is for the handset "talking".