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To: Poet who wrote (9876)3/7/2001 10:12:01 AM
From: hobo  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 10876
 
Good morning Po,

Look at this crazy market ! some of the techs were UP earlier in spite of the bad news.... that is puzzling, one would say the market is not paying attention to them...

Although now they seem to be acting more normally.. but no apparent sell-off as it is usual when news like JDSU's etc come out.

ORCL, SUNW, BRCD are up...

As I said earlier, some of the super-bears must be a tad frustrated... Hey, maybe the YAHOO pending news will do the trick for the bears...

Hahn ad an interesting piece in his update about prices of oil eh ?

Crude oil futures maintained a breakout above overhead resistance. The breakout from the triangle drawn on the chart is very important. The price of crude oil grows in importance each day it is above $25 per barrel. Chairman Greenspan's prediction for falling inflation later in the year is dependent on a decline in the price of crude oil. If crude oil stays where it's at, economic projections will need to be revised.

p.s. hmmmm the market is beginning to weaken....



To: Poet who wrote (9876)3/7/2001 10:26:44 AM
From: Jeff Jordan  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 10876
 
I was test driving my cyber options execxutions this morning...not what I expected...I remember Dreyfus as being slow....I've learned that all NYSE are NOT electronic...and orders had to be walked over to trader? is that true? It still took me 2.5 mins to cancel a nas stock....that seemed long....maybe fills are better and notification takes longer?
tenlights.com

I was hoping for instant executions....comments please

missed futures opportunity...dumb
tenlights.com

I shouldn't have been messing with this as I missed some good trades in the futures! that is instant execution.



To: Poet who wrote (9876)3/7/2001 4:19:51 PM
From: mishedlo  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 10876
 
Found this posted on CS. It was written by B Goran Yordanoff, a supposedly successful daytrader:

The Bull Is Dead, Long Live The Bull By Goran Yordanoff March 6, 2001 6:15 PM EST
After being called "un-American" for shorting stocks, I have come to one very large conclusion: The American public is totally brainwashed. They are brainwashed because they are so easily made to believe everything they are told. What can be more alluring than the promise of riches and the opportunity to become rich by doing absolutely nothing more than buying and holding what you are told to? However, "the great game" as it was lovingly labeled by our friends on CNBC is becoming more like a giant game of musical chairs.

The music sounds intoxicatingly beautiful on the way up but when it suddenly stops, there are never enough chairs to go around. All the while the professionals who were supposed to warn us of such an event plead total ignorance and shrug their shoulders as the gullible individual investor gets taken to the cleaners by the Wall Street Mafioso in three-piece suits.

All you have been hearing for the past several sessions is the following: "is this the bottom? is this the bottom? where is the bottom? do you think we're at a bottom? does this look like a bottom?" etc. etc. etc Around two years ago I caused a scene at a Starbucks in Chicago around Christmas time because I had heard "Grandma got run over by a Reindeer" for the umpteenth time in my life and it triggered some type of "fight or flight" mechanism in my body. I literally felt blood rush to my appendages, I dropped the cinnamon dispenser into my tall late and grabbed the poor counter clerk by his apron and demanded that the music be stopped immediately. Needless to say, I've walked the extra block to the next Starbucks each day ever since that ugly event. I'm getting awfully close to duplicating that same natural response if I hear "are we at the bottom" one more time. Unfortunately, since the stock market has become such a household institution (remember, all those traders we see on the NYSE trading floors are there to make you money. Right?), you literally cannot turn off financial television at the risk of missing some type of emotional overreaction to a news event. At times, however, it is fun to use it as a tool to fade the foolish lemmings who ran (AMZN) up again early today due to the Walmart rumor. Honestly, people never learn.

I learned this strategy from ex-President, Bill Clinton. I wanted to loosen you all up with a funny anecdote before I break the bad news. Now that you are feeling nice and comfortable... here it is: the bull market in the Dow Jones Industrial Average has come to an end. Would you believe me more if I was an analyst for Goldman Sachs or Merrill Lynch? Would you believe me if my name was Ralph Acampura, Tom Galvin, Henry Blodget, or Abby Cohen? None of those people told us the bull market was over in the Nasdaq before it broke, did they? In fact, if you look around there is absolutely not one person on the street who is bearish on the Dow. At least when the Nasdaq was flying past the 5000 level and internet stocks were going up 30-50 points each day, we heard some people warn us about the internet bubble and high valuations in that sector.

Nevertheless, no one heeded the warnings about the Internet sector because we had our analysts friends tell us that "things are different this time" and we began to believe that we could ignore price/earnings ratios and valuations. Looking back, wasn't it ludicrous to assume that business cycles that have dictated the actions of our economy and that of Europe's for thousands of years would suddenly be rendered obsolete by the advent of the personal computer and silicon wafer?

There is no denying that presently there is a public love affair with the Dow index. The average person wishes they never heard the word "tech stock" as they have been feverishly rerouting their capital into the "safe haven" stocks of the Dow. Buy up the Federated Dept. Stores (FD) at $40, they don't care that it is up 100% in the past 8 months, just get them in. They don't care that basic material stocks like SGR are up 1500% since 1998, just give them a fill. Make sure you get them in Tenet Healthcare (THC) by the end of the day because that sucker has been running for the past 11 months and they don't want to miss out on the next 11 months. The market is playing the old Metallica song "Search and Destroy" now as it has so expertly been rerouting money into the next areas that it plans to take to the woodshed and beat mercilessly. This is why sector rotation exists. We saw this same thing take place with the Nasdaq glamour stocks that continued making new 52-week highs even thought the Nasdaq Composite was getting crushed. Stocks like Juniper Networks, Brocade Communications, Micromuse, Comverse Technologies, Siebel Systems, etc. etc. were all part of the elite group of technology stocks that were anointed as the new Messiah's of the stock market. Just a handful of months later, they are all trading at levels 50-70% below their highs of August, 2000.

This is how the Wall Street players make their millions and billions each year. It isn't by publicly telling us where we should put our money, it is by selling the general public on areas they want them to put their money. People, I have made millions and millions of dollars fading the mass mentality. Fading the fact that the majority of American investors never, ever learn their lesson. At this time, everyone loves the Dow. Most consider it a "sure thing" that a breakout over 11,000 is in the cards. I have not heard one person come on television or write about the fact that the retailers have been run up to ridiculous levels based on the expectations of a second-half 2001 economic recovery. When it becomes clear that the recovery won't happen, the same firms that pumped the retailers will shrug their shoulders and tell us to become "long term investors" and to "ignore the temporary setback." Today, in fact, Prudential Securities stated that although they expect the February retail sales numbers to come in lower than expectations they still recommend buying retailing and apparel stocks because the economic environment in 2001 will be favorable for them because of an expected further decline in interest rates and the Bush tax cut. As soon as I read this today I immediately reached to feel for my wallet. I felt like Prudential was holding up the American public at gunpoint to buy retail stocks because of lower interest rates and the Bush tax cut. Honestly, this might be the most ludicrous thing I have heard come out of a major brokerage house since the Mary Meeker and Henry Blodget calls.

Further, have we heard anyone talk about the fact that Tenet Healthcare (THC) is trading at a 38 p/e multiple with market cap of over $13 Billion? Does anyone consider this to be slightly overvalued compared to the historical mean? Why isn't anyone speaking up? Does anyone consider Federated Department Stores to be overvalued at a PE of.... oh, wait... they don't actually earn any money... so I guess you can get away with running them up another 100% because noone can prove that they are valued to high when there isn't an "E" in PE.

The list goes on and on, and the simple truth remains that the overvaluation in the Dow and S&P 500 indexes is going totally unaddressed by the financial media and brokerage houses. You would think the fact that the Dow Jones Industrial Average has only been this far inflated above its century (how's that for long term) median valuation line only one other time in history would get some attention. The only other time in history that the Dow was this far stretched above its median valuation line was back in 1928-1929. Spooky, very spooky.

We have begun to see the initial stages of the new Dow bear. Have you noticed the selling into strength we now see regularly? Are you noticing how early rallies are always sold into the afternoon unless there is some type of news event driving the market higher (some fabricated news event like the Angell lunacy or the IBM rumor)? Are you noticing that institutions are performing high level distribution for several months now in many Dow favorites?

You had better get seated soon, because the music is ready to screech to a halt once everyone owns Dow stocks.

No one warned you at the top of the Nasdaq. I'm warning you now at the top of the Dow. Take it for what it is worth, my opinion is no better than anyone else's. But what I want you to do is to take into account what I said above and formulate your own conclusion.

It's more important to be the first one out than the first one in.

That said, I am disengaging myself from my "safe" index fund and will do the same from my tech stocks as soon as this run even thinks of reversing. Not da Bu$, at least not yet, since a signing could make all TA worthless. Time to REALLY look into value stocks (airlines? NWA and KLM had HUGE volume on small gaps) Maybe cash is still king.

PS Are there any funds that play the short side of the DOW like POTSX or USPIX short the NAZ?



To: Poet who wrote (9876)3/7/2001 4:21:18 PM
From: mishedlo  Respond to of 10876
 
Nothing like Abbey Conehead to turn around futures.
This is criminal IMHO.

No doubt her clients were selling this rally.

M