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To: Neocon who wrote (7781)	3/7/2001 10:24:30 AM
From: epicure	Respond to of 82486

Moral balance in the universe? Are you insane? We live on a planet where things get eaten alive. Where parasites are common, feasting on their victims while they still roam around. Humans have been cannibals. They have sacrificed other humans. They have burned other humans at stakes or spitted them on stakes while still alive- they've pulled their fellow humans apart by horses, and cut open pregnant humans while still alive. While it would be warm and cozy to have a balance- who wouldn't like to see things redressed- I see absolutely no evidence for anything like that, except in some of our desires- and of course lots of those desires tend to be along the lines of "THEY are evil, they will be punished in the next life"- of course both sides of any butchery are usually thinking that about each other. There is no need for death to edify or have purpose in the individual, imo. Things are born and they die. The planet is warm or it is cold. We have sunspots or we don't have sunspots- things simply are. We can wish for moral redress- if it gives you pleasure I see no great harm in it- unless it makes you not take action to stop things because you feel they will be redressed elsewhere. I take action because I am pretty sure redress is all in our own minds. (and our ideas of redress are fantastically subjective!)

To: Neocon who wrote (7781)	3/7/2001 1:28:18 PM
From: Solon	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 82486

How would we give her death meaning? Obviously, if (as you said) no-one remembers her, then her life will not have meaning to anyone. When she was alive, her life held meaning for her--and for others. Her life means nothing to her once she is dead. As Aurelius makes it plain, almost every human being who ever lived are unremembered. Some family members and some historical figures are remembered--but even these will be entirely forgotten in time. Aristotle, Socrates, Hitler, Jesus--all will be forgotten. They will have no meaning. Only the living can experience meaning--and they can only experience it about what they know or contemplate.