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To: Ali Chen who wrote (129441)	3/7/2001 8:58:48 PM
From: maui_dude	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 186894

OT, Re : "I really do not understand why some women here are offended by all this order of nature. They must be fairy unhappy in their lives. Sorry." I doubt you will ever understand. Wasn't slavery and womens right to (not) vote an order of nature, once upon a time. Was that OK ? Wasn't the action of Nazi an order of nature for them, when they were committing crime against humanity (this is an extreme example, but hope you see the point here). This 'order of nature' is defined by a group of people to protect their own self-interest and feed their egos. Often people dont want to pay the price, that comes with change, even if the change is for the better. IMO, you have a very narrow idea of how a CEO should be. Apparently, You are basing you conclusion on how a CEO is today. BTW, How did you reach a conclusion that whoever doesn't follow the 'order of nature' must be fairly unhappy in their lives ? You must be the one benefiting from this 'order of nature' and selfish and coward enough to not look beyond yourself to realize that women have it a lot harder in the corporate world than what is fair. 50 years from now, we'll probably consider todays rules and 'order of nature' very uncivilized. I hope educated people like you dont wait that long to reach that conclusion and proactively try to change the system. Maui.

To: Ali Chen who wrote (129441)	3/7/2001 10:10:49 PM
From: Road Walker	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 186894

Ali, you are a piece of work. John

To: Ali Chen who wrote (129441)	3/8/2001 3:58:20 PM
From: Mary Cluney	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 186894

Ali,<<<In the tough business environment as in the US, which requires minute-per-minute attention, who do you think the business will promote, a pretty woman in her best reproductive age, with very high risk for maternity leave and other child care duties, or a a _equally_ qualified men, without much of this burdens? In closing, I really do not understand why some women here are offended by all this order of nature.>>> For centuries, in their believe of this order of nature Chinese society bound women's feet for whatever reasons that can not be defended. Nevertheless, Andrea Jung's mother born in Shangai and her husband born in Hong Kong moved to the USA when Andrea was 2 years old. 39 years later, Andrea has a family of her own with a 5 year old daughter, and Andrea Jung is also the CEO of a Fortune 500 company. To get to where she is today, did she have to overcome some obstacles that had nothing to do with whether shou could do the job or not? According to Andrea. <<<Jung found that businessmen limited insight into women's abilities. Most still considered women fragile vessels whose self-confidence could be shattered with a well delivered put-down and whose strength would be depleted after eight hours high-powered deal making. Jung realized that men saw themselves as modern-day Genghis Khans. They believed they could shout through 12 hours of fist-pounding negotiations and afterwards sweat through several games of racketball without getting winded.>>> The point of all this is that this order of nature exist only in your mind. It is words that you have made up. Show me in what book of science, or philosophy, or any other thoughts of human beings on this planet where your order of nature is thought to exist. Point to me the name of a book, the name of an author, the name of a scientist, or any other human being other than Ali Chen that reflect in some way yours words about the order of nature. Mary