To: Mike Buckley who wrote (40195 ) 3/10/2001 3:13:32 PM From: hueyone Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 54805 Mike, I apologize for not singling you out for repeatedly making comments about valuation over the last year. However, after having read this thread for a year, I tend to find this series of exchanges beginning with this initial inquiry by Substancep as typical of the thread of almost summarily dismissing newbies concerns about valuations. Yet, most of these responses have been consistent with Gorilla Gaming as promoted by the manual. siliconinvestor.com Some excerpts from the responses to Subtancep's "We are new to the Gorilla game post" last year. Substancep: We are new to Gorilla Gaming. Every G&K company on this board's lists except MSFT and INTC have P/E ratios greater than or equal to 100. Uncle Frank: I think you need to decide if you want to be a value investor or a Gorilla gamer. If it's the latter, stop reading articles about investing techniques and start searching for great investments. DownSouth: If you study TRFM you will see that measures of valuation are pretty meaningless to a ggamer. So filtering through PE ratios for potential G/K investments is pretty much a waste of time. Filtering by such quantitative techniques will filter out the very g's and k's (and candidates) for which you are searching. Although I gave a limited public response to Substancep when he wrote that post, I wrote Substancep a PM at the time expressing a great deal more concern over valuations because I felt any comments from me regarding valuation would be unwelcome. (Nevertheless, I have taken my share of investment hits.) There was also a Wall Street Journal article referenced in this exchange which expressed concerns about valuation that was pretty much ignored:Message 13214702 Yet UF and DownSouth's comments are perfectly consistent with the manual and Gorilla Gaming. I keep bringing this up for two reasons: One, I genuinely feel sorry for the many newbie investors who may have jumped into Gorilla Gaming with both feet last year while mistakenly thinking they were embarking on a "conservative strategy" as suggested by the manual and the thread. These investors, in my opinion, may be decimated for years to come. Reason number two: going forward, I would like to see the thread drop the equation of "low risk investment strategy", "conservatism" and "gorilla investing at any price". Rather than telling investors that "concern for valuation is pretty much a waste of time" as did the statement above, and as perhaps does the manual suggest as well, maybe the thread should make it clear in their header that the purpose of the thread is to simply identify great companies with sustainable, competitive advantages, but go on to repeatedly warn investors that they need to come to their own careful and well thought out conclusions as to whether now or any other time is a good time to start a position in these stocks--while, as Tekboy suggests, carefully assessing their individual tolerances for risk. In my opinion, The Gorilla Game manual severely understated the risks of Gorilla Gaming---at least with regard to applying to the turn of the century. Page xxi of "The Bible": Finally, and perhaps most importantly, the YOU that we have uppermost in our minds is a private investor who is turning to the stock market to provide for your family's future. Far from being independently wealthy, we expect you to have modest capital at the outset and to be deeply concerned about not losing it. As a result, we are going to define an investment strategy that is, at its heart, inherently conservative. That is to our mind the real purpose of the gorilla game - to help private investors participate in the rewards of high-tech stock gains while standing clear of the market's unnerving volatility. Moore is about 36 months behind in making the necessary updates to the manual. Like the Mariner article suggests, the manual has some pretty big holes in it. (JMHO) Best, Huey