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To: TimF who wrote (134426)3/12/2001 1:43:20 PM
From: stribe30  Respond to of 1575981
 
Tim asked if there was any such subsidy on Canadian Lumber:

Thats a matter of opinion I suppose.. here's a column that describes in brief, the centre of the dispute..

EDIT: I should add I found out that the person who is advocating that Canada take a hardline against the US over the lumber issue by shutting out energy is ironically enough an American businessman :) I guess he used to run one of the big forestry companies.

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American lumber producers would do well to hold
off on another expensive trade complaint against Canadian softwood lumber
imports, former Ontario premier Bob Rae said on behalf of the Canadian
industry today.

Canada's $10-billion (U.S.) annual softwood sales account for one third of
the market in the United States, which is not self-sufficient in lumber, he
said.
American producers have threatened to initiate a countervailing duty action
almost immediately, citing long-standing allegations Canadian imports are
subsidized through low provincial timber-cutting fees, rail subsidies and
log-export restrictions. They're also considering tacking on a potentially
more punitive dumping complaint.

It would be the fourth time the U.S. lumber industry has mounted a trade
action against its Canadian competitors. Previous efforts failed, although
Canada struck compromise deals twice in the last two decades that led to
export restrictions.

Rae trotted out the familiar Canadian arguments against a countervail claim.
U.S. trade investigations in the 1980s and 1990s failed to turn up any
evidence of subsidy. If anything, provincial stumpage fees have increased
since the last countervail case in the early 1990s, he said.

Yet despite supposed free trade, Canada has been forced to compromise
because of its unequal position in the key two-way trading relationship, said
Rae.

''This is hardly the world of free trade and open markets,'' he said. ''It is a
reversion to the old world of protection and imposed agreements.''

thestar.ca



To: TimF who wrote (134426)3/12/2001 2:00:22 PM
From: stribe30  Respond to of 1575981
 
Tim: A couple of opinion and editorial pieces in the last couple of days in the Toronto Star over the lumber dispute.. tough line approach called for this time.. I find this signficant since this paper is more or less THE main Liberal support in the newspapers up here. It has some influence in current government circles.

Canada Must Dig In Against Lumber Bully

........In the meantime, it makes little sense for Canada to be talking about giving
Americans much greater access to our energy resources at the same time
they want to prevent free trade in forest resources.


thestar.ca

Firm Stand Needed In Lumber Dispute

This is not free trade. Nor is it a routine tiff between neighbours.

It is harassment, pure and simple, which our free trade agreements with the
U.S. were supposed to stop. But this time around, Ottawa can do something about it,
instead of simply buckling under U.S. demands.

For one thing, Prime Minister Jean Chrétien can tell President Bush to
forget about his continental energy plan until the lumber dispute is finally
resolved.


thestar.ca



To: TimF who wrote (134426)3/12/2001 2:21:49 PM
From: stribe30  Respond to of 1575981
 
Tim: Some more reading material for you on the subject.. perhaps this is more significant,
since this paper is a business-oriented traditionally conservative media..
not akin to normally agreeing with anything the Star writes. From the Mar 12 Editorial Section.

Mr. Zoellick tries to ride two trade horses

U.S. Trade Representative Robert Zoellick said
last week that the Bush administration will
support the tireless efforts of the U.S. lumber
industry to impose duties on Canadian softwood
lumber. Aside from being discouraging news for
Canadian producers, the statement was frankly
bizarre.

To understand why, one merely has to review the
text of a speech given by Mr. Zoellick last week to
Congress's ways and means committee, in which
he sang the praises of unhindered free trade. It's
hard to imagine this is the same man who is
simultaneously catering to the most protectionist
forces in the lumber sector.

"I want to work with you with an open mind to
mobilize broad support for freer trade," he told
the committee. He even acknowledged that trade
restrictions create victims at home among all the
people "who have to pay more for clothing or
food or homes or equipment because of visible
and invisible taxes on trade." So, Mr. Zoellick,
does that include U.S. homes built with Canadian
lumber that will become more expensive once stiff
duties are imposed on softwood?

Here's another gem from his speech: "President
Bush has seen that the free exchange of goods and
services sparks economic growth, opportunity,
dynamism, fresh ideas and democratic values,
both at home and abroad."

For years now, the Canadian lumber industry has
lobbied for free trade in softwood, and for years
now it has been ignored. Many forestry company
officials will be keen to hear that George W. Bush
has such a pro-trade attitude.

Since 1982, the U.S. lumber industry has fought
tooth and nail to reduce the competition from
Canadian producers, arguing repeatedly that
Canada's system of allowing logging on Crown
land for payment of "stumpage" fees provides an
unfair subsidy. (Most U.S. wood is logged on
privately owned land.) In three successive
attempts, the U.S. producers have lost their cases
before government and Canada-U.S. free-trade
agreement (FTA) panels. They've never won, yet
they continue.

Canada has remained as compliant as possible
despite our strong position. Instead of fighting
long battles, we have chosen to negotiate interim
agreements and accept limits on our exports. In
essence, we have given in to buy peace, even
though we have won the fights.

The current five-year interim agreement expires
on March 31, and the U.S. lumber lobby is ready
to ask again for duties the day after it expires.
Let's hope the Americans don't expect Canada
simply to accept more concessions.

Indeed, we should have little incentive to
participate eagerly in Mr. Bush's proposed
continental energy pact if this is the tone being set
by his administration. And what's the incentive to
help the United States with its lobby for
hemispheric free trade at the Summit of the
Americas next month?

There is still a glimmer of hope that cooler heads
might prevail before Washington launches itself
into another trade fight. That's because there is a
slowly growing chorus of U.S.-based opposition
from an assortment of consumers, lumber retailers,
home builders and other retailers in the home
renovation market- place (such as Home Depot),
all of whom want free trade in lumber.

Mike Fritz, chairman-elect of the National Lumber
and Building Material Dealers Association in the
U.S., said last week that the 1996 quota agreement
was a bad policy designed simply to appease the
protectionist interests of a small slice of U.S.
industry. "The bottom line is that the fact that the
Canadian industry works differently than the U.S.
industry does not mean that there is a subsidy," he
argued. "In all actuality, the Canadian system is no
more assisted by its government than the U.S.
producers are by theirs."

These are the voices that need to reach Mr.
Zoellick's ear to drown out the wealthy lumber
lobby that makes such generous donations to the
election campaigns of various members of
Congress.

Mr. Zoellick said last week: "The message I want
to send to other countries is that the United States
is willing to negotiate. We are willing to open if
they open."

We opened when we signed NAFTA. Now stand
behind your convictions.



To: TimF who wrote (134426)3/12/2001 2:30:51 PM
From: stribe30  Respond to of 1575981
 
More from the Globe and Mail:

"On Lumber, I'm Mad As Hell And I'm Not Going To Take It Anymore"

Saturday, March 10, 2001

It's time for Canada to come out swinging against
the U.S. lumber industry and the never-ending
threats against Canadian forestry companies.

The powerful U.S. lumber lobby, armed with big
chequebooks to make campaign donations, once
again wants the United States to impose huge duties
on Canadian softwood lumber, and has won the
support of U.S. President George W. Bush to
proceed when the current agreement expires on
March 31.

Well, sorry, this has gone on long enough.

Since 1982, U.S. lumber producers have fought our
imports, losing three challenges before government
and free-trade agreement tribunals. Yet despite our
victories and strong position, we've meekly agreed
to voluntary quotas to try to buy peace.

The United States needs our trade, our lumber and
our co-operation on a variety of initiatives. As
former MacMillan Bloedel chief executive officer
Tom Stephens said this week, the United States
wants more of our natural gas, and we should start
telling them to start reading by candlelight if they
don't back down on softwood. After all, why agree
to the Bush administration's continental energy pact
if it doesn't play fair on trade? Or support its
missile defence plan? Or join the hemispheric
free-trade initiative?

Stephen Clarkson, a University of Toronto
professor who is currently a visiting fellow at the
Woodrow Wilson Center in Washington, says
Canada has had "weak knees" from the beginning
of this dispute. Industry hasn't wanted the delays of
prolonged trade battles, and it has been easiest to
cave in and negotiate a deal.

But these have been no-win deals, and certainly not
long-term solutions. In 1996, for example, Canada
signed another pact to buy five years of peace with
U.S. producers, agreeing to quotas on the amount of
softwood lumber they would send duty-free and to
duties above that level.

Meanwhile, the U.S. economy soared, building
activity was brisk and it turned out that Canada
could have sold much more if only the quotas
weren't in place. That five-year deal was supposed
to be a temporary solution, but nothing has
replaced it in the interim.

This time around, things must change. Since the last
battle, the World Trade Organization with its
binding dispute resolution has come into existence,
providing a strong new tool to challenge American
aggression. Already, Canada has launched two
broad challenges that will affect the softwood
dispute -- one on export restraints, and another on
refunds of duty payments -- and we can also
directly fight countervail and dumping charges on
softwood when they are imposed.

We can probably win, too, because Canada is
negotiating from a position of strength. Our
unbroken string of trade victories demonstrates the
validity of our claim.

The U.S. lumber producers argue that duties are
warranted because Canadian producers get unfair
subsidies. Canadian companies cut down trees on
Crown land and pay a "stumpage fee" or royalty
for the right. The United States says the fees are too
low, and amount to an unfair subsidy.

Unfortunately, however, the North American
free-trade agreement is an odd agreement without
its own built-in definitions of key terms like
subsidy. The United States has simply changed its
laws to redefine an unfair subsidy, then filed more
complaints. This makes a WTO challenge a
stronger mechanism, because the WTO applies an
international definition of subsidy, which should
support Canada's argument.

The sad fact is that even if Canada keeps winning,
U.S. producers will keep fighting on some sort of
grounds. They simply resent the competition of
imports and are losing ground as Canadian mills
are more rapidly modernized and operate more
cheaply.

This doesn't mean the solution is to give up and
give them whatever they want. This means fighting
each attack as strongly as possible to send a
message that we will no longer accept penalties
when we're not operating unfairly.



To: TimF who wrote (134426)3/12/2001 2:34:29 PM
From: stribe30  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 1575981
 
Louisiana-Pacific CEO is unlikely ally of Canada

From The Globe And Mail - Monday, March 12, 2001

WASHINGTON -- Mark Suwyn sounds like a
born-again Christian as he recalls his days as a
member of the powerful U.S. lumber lobby.
Mr. Suwyn was a top executive of International
Paper Inc. and a key player in the
Washington-based Coalition for Fair Lumber
Imports when Canada and the United States battled
over softwood lumber in the mid-nineties.

"I was a member of the coalition and I thought
there were serious subsidies," Mr. Suwyn
acknowledged.

But that was then. Now, Mr. Suwyn, 57, is
chairman and chief executive officer of
Louisiana-Pacific Corp. of Portland, Ore., which
owns sawmills and building product plants across
Canada and the United States. And he categorically
rejects the coalition's central argument: that
Canada gives its industry billions of dollars a year
in illegal subsidies.

"Once I got into actually operating on both sides of
the border, which we actually do at
Louisiana-Pacific, all of a sudden I can't find the
subsidies. So my eyes have been opened
considerably."

The head of one of the largest U.S. forest products
companies has emerged as an unlikely ally of
Canadian lumber producers as they prepare to
wage war once more. While other U.S. companies
operating in both countries, such as Weyerhaeuser
Co. of Tacoma, Wash., have stayed neutral in the
debate, Louisiana-Pacific is stridently pro-free
trade.

Why the change of heart?

Mr. Suwyn, who joined the company in 1996, fears
that Canada and the United States are headed
toward a senseless and lengthy trade war over
claims he insists are baseless.

"Here we are about to launch a trade war and I
can't find the subsidy," he said bluntly. "This
[dispute] has a 30-year history. The pattern is that
the U.S. believes there is a subsidy and threatens to
put in a duty, and [the authorities] look at it and say
they can't find a subsidy."

Louisiana-Pacific's perspective on cross-border
lumber issues changed dramatically when it bought
Groupe Forex Inc. of Quebec in mid-1999 for
$516-million (U.S.). The company had sales last
year of $2.8-billion, including $455-million in
Canada.

Louisiana-Pacific has plants in 21 U.S. states from
Maine to Texas and operates in three Canadian
provinces -- British Columbia, Quebec and
Manitoba.

For decades, the U.S. industry has targeted
so-called Canadian stumpage rates -- the fees that
provinces charge producers for cutting timber on
government land. The coalition argues that Canada
is literally giving away its trees for pennies on the
dollar.

The coalition has vowed to launch countervailing
and anti-dumping lawsuits on April 2, demanding
that Canadian lumber be hit with billions of dollars
in duties.

The problem facing the U.S. industry is a lack of
trees, not Canadian subsidies, Mr. Suwyn said.
There's less wood being cut in U.S. national
forests, particularly in the U.S. Northwest, and
anyone without private land holdings is out of luck.

Without guaranteed timber supply, many U.S. mills
have failed to modernize, he said. Allegations that
Canada is subsidizing, and now dumping, are just a
pretext by the U.S. industry to shield those
producers, he said.

"The real issue is that if you have a mill in Canada
or the United States that you have not modernized
over the last 20 or 30 years, you're going to have a
hard time competing because there is more
capacity than there is demand," he said. "Only the
highly efficient, modernized mills are going to
survive. It's just a fact of life."

Under the Canadian system, where nearly all land
is held by the provinces, companies can negotiate
15- to 25-year leases, which provide the long-term
stability needed to invest in processing capacity,
he pointed out.

And the claim of a massive subsidy in Canada is
just pure fiction, Mr. Suwyn said. What many
Americans don't realize is that Canadian lumber
producers are responsible for significant forest
management costs on their logging tracts.

"So when the U.S. coalition focuses only on the
stumpage fee, they choose not to look at the whole
picture," he said.

He also warned that if Canada bows to U.S.
demands and adopts a competitive timber auction
system, the coalition might be in for a surprise.
Stumpage rates might actually fall, not rise,
because in most areas only one company is in a
position to log an area economically.

More damaging still, Mr. Suwyn said, is the fact
that the looming lumber war comes at a
particularly bad time for the North American
lumber industry. Environmental threats,
competition from man-made building materials
such as steel, and offshore competition are eroding
the industry's market share.

If the United States hits Canada with tariffs,
duty-free wood from Scandinavia, Eastern Europe,
New Zealand and South America will fill the void,
perhaps permanently, he argued.

"To now go spend a lot of time and energy and
money to fight a trade war that doesn't have a
satisfactory end point is a waste," he lamented.

"We have to get on some path . . . to free trade."