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To: Neocon who wrote (8814)	3/16/2001 9:50:42 AM
From: Win Smith	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 82486

Been off reading a little "creation science", Neocon?

To: Neocon who wrote (8814)	3/16/2001 10:41:21 AM
From: Solon	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 82486

That is why the legend of the Fall is a logical speculation, etc. Is that "legend" part of the Judea-Christian myth? When you stated that your idea of blessedness did not depend on any myth, but rather on your assumption--I felt that perhaps you were willing to take an independent approach to the question. However, immediately we are back to a legend that seems strikingly similar to the Judeo-Christian myths recorded in Genesis. This is troublesome as a basis for clear communication. You then take a short and predictable pirouette through the argument from design--and you introduce another assumption: That this imagined Creator is a male, presumably with a penis and so forth. I am almost prepared to hear your assumption introduce the concept of a divine pregnancy--with a (male) heir. It is not a capricious and vicious world. By and large, people are born healthy, survive various diseases, form communal bonds, go about their business peaceably, and so forth I disagree. History is a record of the agonizing struggle to survive. It is a history of starvation, disease, and violence. Since recorded history most humans have lived and died in misery. That is the norm--even today where industry, technolgy and medicine have removed the daily sorrow and despair from at least a small portion of the world. The fact that people and animals, and hosts and parasites can form alliances which are beneficial and sometimes conducive to joy--this fact hardly requires the assumption of a benevolent creator. Indeed, assuming th ability to create, I would bet that you would create a world that had far more good in it than this mercurial one we now inhabit. When the next major collision occurs in the emptiness of space (assuming it occurs before our sun burns out), we can all praise the male creator for destroying all those millions of heathens in New York--and we can all go back to breeding--and to praising our wonderful Creator for taking them instead of us. Enough that is wonderful happens that it is hard not to want to praise God, periodically, for His creation. What on earth do you mean? Wonderful for whom? When the lion rips the guts out of the gazelle, it is wonderful--for one of them. But neither of them needs to either praise or curse the imaginary friend or enemy. It was wonderful when Bartholomew's wife found true love with another man; It was not wonderful for Bartholomew. Why does the natural fact of winners and losers (and ultimately all losers--even Atilla) invoke an assumption to a creator (male)?? Do you see more GOOD in this world than one could reasonably expect without appealing to the imagination?? Thwe fact that I sometimes get a good meal off a dead cow is supposed to instill me with wonder? God intended a perfect world and perfect existence for mankind, but that the introduction of sin into the world upset the balance This assumption seems to relate directly to a particular and well known myth. If we are going to critique the validity of the bible--why not do so and forget the red herrings? but that the introduction of sin into the world upset the balance Well even though we are not looking at any of the Judeo/Christian myths...who created the world?? Who introduced sin into the world? God intended a perfect world and perfect existence for mankind Is this the God from the myth, the legend, or the assumption?? Was this INTENTION the intention of the omnipotent God, or merely the kind one?