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To: freeus who wrote (33908)3/18/2001 8:59:44 AM
From: Venkie  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 65232
 
Lynn
I think you may want to look at it may be a bit late to go short.Stks are down 70/90 % techs. It would be a shame to loose another big chunk of money trying to bet on a bear mkt.You should hv shorted a long time ago. I hv thought the same thing but quite a few bears hv pm me and reminded me that it would be a risky gamble and that I missed that boat. I am not going to risk my capital trying to hurry and make back quickly what I lost quickly..it probably ain't gonna happen. How do you know we are in a bear rally...how do you know stks won't get better..how do you know we hv not hit a bottom...what homework hv you do on your own. Don't listen to these chat boards..esp me
Do your homework..wishfull thinking had killed us...quick money...why would you wait .3200 pts down to go short because you think it's a bear mkt...finding a stock in trouble that hasn't already been killed is a different reason but to wake up 3200 pts later and decide to make back all you loss by turning directions in a good way to loose more money. What do you know about bear mkts..what will you do while your working your regular job and we bounce...do you hv the time to focus on the mkt on a minute to minute basis. I wish you would talk to Edamo and Allan Allias..plz
You are my long time friend and we hv screwed ourselves by trying to time the mkt and getting emotional/gready. We hv to accept our mistakes...do our homework...work much harder looking at the balance sheets..p/e...mkt conditions...ect ect.Lynn I hv lost a ton of money and some really smart folks..mostly perma bears who care about me hv said" Donnie leave it alone and sit on your hands..wait for the rally to get real legs and jump in the middle. I fuc6^^ up and I admit it but it doesn't mean I can't go on and pick up the pieces..The mkt is waiting for more amature shorts to get knee deep in short techs..just like the bubble..then they will squeeze you like an orange..The smart money moved short long ago and they are waiting for a bounce..don't listen to the Venkies of the bear world...



To: freeus who wrote (33908)3/18/2001 10:29:33 AM
From: Jimbo  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 65232
 
freeus - IMHO - it is a little late to start seriously start shorting the risk/reward down from here is not great - downside I think 1650 looks about right so not much more. Even the large institutions are starting to cover their massive short position (COT). Good luck !



To: freeus who wrote (33908)3/18/2001 11:34:54 AM
From: im a survivor  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 65232
 
Lynn...with all due respect....and this is coming from somebody that thinks we get worse before we get better........

You were always late to the party last year...don't make the same mistake this year. Why, if you did not go short at 4500, 4000, 3500, 3000, 2500, 2000......are you going short now???? I am not saying we dont have more downside, but just look at the numbers......eventually we go higher. It may not be for awhile, or it could be soon....nobody knows...not you, not I, not the anlaysts, not the bulls, the bears or any talking head you see on TV.

You are better off, in the face of lowering rates, and the unknown factor of when we move up, put your money into cash if you think we are going lower, because there is more upside then downside at this point and we dont know when it will turn. Think about the shorts...some party they have been having...but they have a limit on their sucess...sunw can only fall anoth $18....at what price do the shorts cover?? probably long before sunw gets to zero....my point is, most of the shorts I know are looking very closely....they see the mistakes we bull made by not seeing the right time to get out....you have intc and csco and sunw and jdsu and so many stocks that are down, the shorts are looking and going "ok, lets not get greedy...lets watch very closely...greeny is lowering rates....trillions of dollars waiting for the right time to come to the market....hmmm, how much longer should I hold my short in this or that ?"......Like I said, I think the market looks ugly, but I would never in a million years short right now....sheez, just think, your long and ride it all the way down, then you go short and ride it all the back up....talk about a slap in the face.....nope, I just see no reason in shorting now, if you didnt short before...being late to the party is normally a costly experience....nope, I do think we are going lower, BUT, I also think now is the opportune time to slowly and cautiously, buy qaulity on the dips, for the future.....eventually we go up.....stock up now.....be cautious, by the right companies and buy in slowly.....the dow has some high pe stocks that may be good shorts, but I just wouldnt take that risk....notice while nazzy was getting pummelled, it wasnt headline material....now that the dow is getting whacked, it's on the front page of the paper, and you walk into a bowling alley for gods sake and everybody is talking about the dow going down so much....yea, right....the dow hasn't seen anything like the naz has, but it's gotten everybodies attention, so even though i think the dow needs to come down more, i just also wouldnt bet on how much down, because that will more then likely be held up better by the powers to be, then naz was.......just my opinion......just think about this one point...if you were short....and you were up 75% because the stock is down 75%, how much more can you make, and when should you take your profits and run? You can only make another 25%, ans thats if your stock goes to zero...more then likely, if it is down 75%, it wont go down enoigh to take the chance in shorting it.....thats why I am pretty high on SUNW. Finished green on friday...one of the few. PE is now reasonable. They feel they are a good enough investment at current price to initiate a 1.5 billion dollar share buy back program. With this in mind, and the stock beaten down to $18.50 ( low so far was $16's), if I was short, I would cover...and If I wanted to go long, I would do so cautiously, as sunw at $18.....how low can it go....zero...only a loss of $18 per share.Yet, go short and whats your potential gain versus loss in that scenario...... man, I have lost far more then $18 per share on about every stock I have except for recent purchases, so I'd rather be cautiously going long, saving dollars to cost average down a few bucks and I would look at beaten down quality tech between $5 - $20, where downside is minimal and upside is far greater.

Anyway, just be careful...even if we are in abear market, so still have to ask, ow much further down certain issues can go.......naz hits 1000, that'll be pretty bad, huh? Heck, thats only catching 800 points and thats IF it goes that low which would be major....where were you on the shortside for the other 4500 points??

Please be careful...just dont want to see you get hurt....bear or not, now is the time to look at adding quality...cautiously....in my opinion. If you need to money tomorrow, then discount my advice and stay in cash....if you need the money short term, then you dont want to be long or short at this juncture...if you can wait 3 years, then it's probably time to buy as we see more weakness which is expected, I just dont think it's enough weakness to warrant going short now, as I said earlier, as stock down 75%, is only gonna go down how much more ???

best and be careful

keith