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To: TimF who wrote (9050)	3/19/2001 11:21:02 AM
From: E	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 82486

You're right, 8:44, not 8:39. (39 was in bold.) "The closest to" made me laugh, btw. You can't stand what it says, I think. The point about John is that references to the Jews have become generic. In the earlier Gospels, some attempt was made to limit the calumnies to particular sects of the Jews. Jesus gets into fights with the Pharisees, too, but in that passage he's talking to a body of Jews. The footnote annotation (in the New Oxford Annotated Bible with the Apocrypha) to John 8:56 reads, "Refusal to believe [in Jesus] severs them from Abraham." Abraham wasn't a Pharisee, he was the father of the Jewish people. This is also clear in the reply of the Jews to Jesus's spawn of Satan crack, which mentions their father-- Abraham. John 8:44 "You are from your father the Devil, and you choose to do your father's desires. He was a murderer from the beginning and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him, when he lies, he speaks according to his own nature, for he is a liar and the father of lies."

To: TimF who wrote (9050)	3/19/2001 11:26:21 AM
From: E	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 82486

"The Gospel of John has a distinctive way of speaking of Jesus's opponents. Seventy-nine times the expression 'the Jews' appears in this Gospel, compared with five times each in Matthew and Luke, and six times in Mark. Its author feels no identification with the Jewish people, and views them from a distance from which their internal distinctions and differences are no long significant. He sees them in a uniformely hostile light." From William Nicholls, Christian Antisemitism, A History of Hate. Northvale, NJ, 1995, page 167