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To: JohnG who wrote (9937)	3/20/2001 10:14:13 AM
From: elmatador	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 34857

I told you -in a past posting- that it isn't allowed to fail. That's the last generation of a network I will help build before I retire. I want to make a few bucks on this thing. Hey, I remember that at very begining of the PC age people used to say that monitors caused cancer. I think that those scares are created by researchers in the universities just to be bribed into make more research. I can picture one day those weirdoes from Greenpeace tying themselves at the top of a 3G mast demanding we stop putting them up there.

To: JohnG who wrote (9937)	3/20/2001 1:02:01 PM
From: carranza2	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 34857

Gee, a bit rough on the Euros today, John. I've always thought that excessive bureaucracy, fiddling with committees and groups, a search for consensus, etc., is probably good if you run a museum or a philanthropy, but not effective in the rough-and-tumble business world. Perhaps we'll see the American and Asian model (sans Japan who has its own set of problems) prevail as business gets ever more rationalized. But I digress. How else are the prions carried by the mad cows going to be kept in control should a mass human infection take place if not with GPRS brain cookers? have a theory that, because children are most seceptible to radiation induced sleep problems and brain function changes, the Euros, with their GPRS brain cookers will creat a whole generation of disfunctional human beings in EuroFool land.

To: JohnG who wrote (9937)	3/20/2001 2:18:14 PM
From: 49thMIMOMander	Respond to of 34857

OTP: Mentioning finns, thatcher and europe as an entity is of course intersting, kind of like an associative IQ test. Finns don't give much for wanna-bee conservative aristocrates posing as liberals (libertarians using US-speak, US-liberal-freedoms have always been kind of kinky, like victorian UK), something both the swedes and the russians has reminded us of, again and again. (irish and scots have similar experiences, even USA at one point in history) The basic finn is liberal and free when he invests work and sweat in his own forrest so that his grandchildren might harvest the capitalistic profit after 60-80 years. (including some day trading in potatoes, vodka when the season and market is right) Libertarians work in the libraries paid by local income taxes, regulated by national laws, by the ones who are elected locally in proportion to how many votes they get. (the finnish libertarian party decided to disappear after a short debate on public education, bye-bye) Additionally he/she cooperates actively with his neighbors so that they won't be too much of a pain when bulding common roads, libraries, schools, meeting houses for both teenagers (the growing forrest) and others. And just like Bismarck later on understod, actions and debate should be connected to realities. (one father of realpolitics was a finn in 1809, still considered a royal traitor in royal sweden) Ilmarinen. P.S. If I would be an usonian I would be careful with the word "serf", except in connection to South Africa who was even later. P.P.S. Many aspects of Thomas Jefferson actually fit Finnish ideas and ideals very well, free, independent, selfowning, cooperating agrarian farmers, basic education, reading, writing and some skills in programming for both men and women,etc,etc.. members.home.net Mixing a de Toqueville "rural idyll" of the aristocrates and the toiling, soiling agrarian masses would have made both of the following to puke happily. (good as fertilizer, but fairly inefficent) P.P.P.S The "wealth of nations" book was written in Finland 10 years before Adam Smith by Anders Chydenius, connecting his neurons up north in Lapland (Smith in Scotland) and who actually got a seat in the congress in Stockholm, I don't think Adam made it south to London?? google.yahoo.com educa.kpnet.fi educa.kpnet.fi But, if anything is valued in Finland, it is the occasional village original idiot and thinker, a measure of freedom and respect in the village (De Bois canary birds in mines??) Butt-butt.. watch out with that "serf" word, as well as statistics collected through an universal healthsystem (that great, open and optimized pool of insurance and risk management, not propriatory business secretes)