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To: Neocon who wrote (132830)3/22/2001 1:20:54 PM
From: Johannes Pilch  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 769668
 
You use the term "originate" as if humans pop into existence from sex and are not the physical combinations of their parents.

One of my sons walks as I do and yet has the voice timbre of his mother. To look at him you would swear he was my clone-- a mini me (he completes me). I am physically linked to him. My adopted son has my character, my beliefs and many of my personality traits, but he does not look as much like me as my biological sons and daughter. He is spiritually linked directly to me, but biologically linked to two other people-- one man and one woman. Fundamentally, however, he has the same nature that I have-- we are both one man/one woman human organisms. We share that most fundamental human biological reality, and my wife and I reflect that to him incessantly. She and I are a physical representation to him of his fundamental human nature. Ideally, his father and mother should have served this function, but dung happens. My wife and I have done it instead, and without any problem because essentially, she and I are he. We reflect the fundamental truth that upholds his existence and that of all members of his species.

On the other hand, two men are not he and such a union has no part of his biological nature.

Ultimately the point concerns integrity. The homosexual scheme has no integrity with human nature, and on this basis should be rejected by society as an alternative to heterosexuality. This does not mean homosexuals should not have the right to have sex. It means that forced acceptance of homosexuality in society has no logical support because homosexuality is not reflective of the basic nature of society. Members of society are free to embrace a lack of integrity if they choose, but no one has the logic to force those who care about truth to embrace falsity.

Even the societal recognition of your "civil unions" is going too far. It forces acceptance of falsity. The vehicles to fashion the essential bonds of "civil union" already exist as a component of individual humanity and citizenship.

I must run. A pleasure as always. If you like, we might continue when I return. A few others have posted to me, and I have lost track of their posts. No time to respond to them now. So sorry.



To: Neocon who wrote (132830)3/22/2001 1:34:12 PM
From: Srexley  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 769668
 
Good discussion by you and JP. But I don't think he is saying that "one is therefore compelled to marry and have sex". It seems to me that he is saying that society is only compelled to recognize 1 male/1 female marriages. As far as sex goes, I believe he has stated it is ok to choose not to have sex. Correct me if I am wrong.
Scott