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Politics : Sharks in the Septic Tank -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Greg or e who wrote (9441)	3/22/2001 8:48:16 PM
From: thames_sider	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 82486

False premiss,(there is no 'outside')... God is both transcendent and imminent. ...God transcends time, God ... is not subject to the limitations of the material universe. Which is why I say that there can be no rational argument with you on this matter. You posit a being who conforms to no laws, who is both without the universe which bounds us all and yet can interact/shape/plan it at will as though within. At best, such denies proof. Omnipresent omniscience... uh-huh. [BTW, so why is there evil? HIS choice? or is HE just bored?] You offer no proof save your belief. The subject of your homage is taken as superseding all thought, all laws, rules, and cannot be proven delusional by any science or thought or mind within the universe. Well, yippee. By the same context, please do prove to me that Santa does not exist. Or, if you will, show me some proof that Hitler is not an angel standing as God's sword of justice, massacring all the inferior species? Hey, he was an agent of divine will - say it ain't so...? BTW, do you believe in Papal infallibility? The Pope does, and he says that it's God's will. Who should know better? Well, maybe the entire universe does revolve around Earth after all... remember that the Nile and the Rhine both have their sources in the Garden of Eden, and the Mississipppi and Colorado are just nowhere. No common ground. -- "The fact that something in theory has no limitations does not mean that this something is present in reality. " -- If you restrict "reality" to only the things you can see and feel then perhaps you have a point, but then the laws of logic would then not be "real" would they? Well, I tend to limit logic to that which is not ab origine defined as illogical - 'transcendent and imminent', in your phrase. If you choose to count as 'reality' that which has no material proof, what exists only in your beliefs, then debate is futile. As I think I have shown. I guess you'll just have to condemn me to eternal and unbelievable punishment, because clearly - unlike the God-fearing soldiers of the Inquisition with their tortures, or the joyous Catholics who expunged the Jews from Poland, or the righteous settlers who knew that slaves and 'Indians' were pagans and hence worthless - I am destined to an eternity of hellfire formy innate evil. So I'll content myself with the good company of Gautama Buddha, Diogenes and Zoroaster. I'll leave you to sleep with Loyola, Pius and the odd Borgia. Resquiat in pacem.