To: JohnG who wrote (10011 ) 3/22/2001 5:46:49 PM From: Eric L Respond to of 34857 John, re: Industry Credibility << Eric, WoW! Clearly a sensitive spot >> Absolutely, Clearly, and Unequivocally. I would think that it would be a sensitive spot for you as well, since you spend a great deal of time promoting a company whose COO has had to struggle with this issue for the last decade. This is, IMO, unfortunate, because Dr. Irwin Mark Jacobs is a man I admire greatly for his passionate enthusiasm, courage, and perseverance in commercializing a superlative technology. I hope that came through in the post I linked. << I don't follow Ollia's utterings about when GPRS brain cooker phones will roll off the NOK assembly lines. >> Given the time you spend composing posts for this thread, perhaps you should follow them a little closer. << where was good ole Ollia with his fall 2001 mass production date when these operators decided to rush out and install GPRS networks so far ahead of the arrival of phones >> NOT making commitments to carriers on GPRS handset deliveries. Motorola did that. It appears that Ericsson may have. << OLLIA ... otherwise he's a liar ... Ollia has lied ... Ollia is now lying >> Pretty harsh words, John, even if I don't know who OLLIA, or Ollia is. << In my opinion >> You are entitled to an opinion. Whether anyone respects your opinion is another matter, and I personally do NOT respect your opinion on this matter. If anyone voiced similar opinions about Dr. Irwin Mark Jacobs on this thread (they have), I would say the same thing (and I have). I'll tell you this, John, you will not hear the carriers of the world saying this about Jorma Ollila. << Perhaps they wanted to avoid any move toward a CDMA overlay of GSM <unlikely> >> Perhaps you should bone up a little on how the GSM Phase 2+ standard and the GPRS component evolved, then ask yourself why ETSI (who then was evolving the standard with the carriers and vendors and starting to coordinate with 3GPP) did not consider a CDMA alternative. There was an opportunity. Ask yourself the question. << In my opinion, Ollia is now lying about Euro progress and production dates for W-CDMA systems and phones >> I'll let that statement stand on its own. JohnG says: In my opinion, Ollia is now lying about Euro progress and production dates for W-CDMA systems and phones.O - l - l - i- l - a Please put your helmet on. - Eric -