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To: EJhonsa who wrote (10012)	3/22/2001 5:50:56 PM
From: 49thMIMOMander	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 34857

"To be honest, I wasn't very impressed with the Nokia GPRS releases" Think about the margins, logistics without the need for new plastic snip-snap tools, new production lines (mechanics), inventories, commonality of components, etc,etc And margins, logistics is what is, sadly, killing the competition and the newcomers. Ilmarinen Btw, these three seem to (probably on purpose) prove the thumb-theory, every one of the acting kids do not behave like ordinary kids (in terms of thumbs all over the set) nokia.com nokia.com nokia.com these adult ones really scare me, especially the always lost little stick and that awkward male thumb. (something clinton about it??) nokia.com nokia.com (The thumb is a three dimensional high precision, resolution instrument, the other fingers are barely capable of up and down movements, the pinky isn't even that nor independent without a lot of practice)

To: EJhonsa who wrote (10012)	3/22/2001 8:10:42 PM
From: Eric L	Respond to of 34857

Eric, << To be honest, I wasn't very impressed with the Nokia GPRS releases >> Can't say that I was either. I somehow anticipated that however, from Jorma's answer to the Q&A "GPRS learning" question at Earnings time. In response to the question "Have you gained experience in GPRS development that you can utilize in 3G business development?", Jorma replied: "Well I think the learning really is that our range of 3G products ... you know we always put more emphasis much more emphasis on 3G than on GPRS ... that's a resource question ... you have to stay focused .. so I think the learning is that we have a really broad lineup in 3G whereas in GPRS it will not be hitting all the market segments as we do in GSM but it will still be substantial" nokia.com I do think that there is another wave, maybe a small one, coming after this first set of product introductions, and I suspect, once some technology problems iron out, we'll see some 4+1, maybe 4+2 configurations. << save, of course, for the non-mass-market 9210 >> Now THAT is an impressive device ... and I sure wish there was a CDMA version. I am making an assumption that there will be a GPRS version now that the Symbian EPOC 6.1 SDK is out. Wondering if there will be a 1XTREME version after the 6.2 SDK is released next year. IMO, the 9000 is the premier wireless mobile device of the last decade ... one of the great devices of any type of the last decade, and it is hard for me to believe that it was released in 1996, and the improvements have kept pace. Don't know if you caught my post to Lars about comparing my new and truly useful KYO 6035 to my buddies 9000, but simply stated his 9000 is a better device than my KYO. I was humbled. Just like when I play golf with him. <g> It will be interesting to see how (and when) the Samsung "Stinger" stacks up, or the upcoming Samsung CDMA WID. << I figured that they'd use the 2001 GPRS releases to unload some heavy artillery. Perhaps a couple of phones with color screens, or a model with Epoc support, or a phone with a built-in MP3 player - something more than merely repackaging the 62xx and 82xx lines and adding Bluetooth and FM radio support >> As I say, I think we'll see more. GPRS is going to be around for awhile. A little "Rolling Thunder". << One theory that recently crossed my mind is that Nokia could be intentionally doing this in an attempt to make sure that W-CDMA rollouts will be successful. After all, the company does stand to be paid a fortune in W-CDMA infrastructure contracts should the technology roll out as planned, and making sure that there's a "wow factor" involved with the release of the first W-CDMA handsets would definitely help in making sure that this goal is attained. >> That has crossed my mind ... I think it has crossed Jorma's. << Of course, if this theory turns out to have even a grain of truth in it, it would put an end to all those great conspiracy theories brandished by a group of investors in a certain company about Nokia wanting to intentionally delay the widespread proliferation of W-CDMA. >> My fellow investors? The Cabal Theory? - Eric -

To: EJhonsa who wrote (10012)	3/22/2001 10:17:38 PM
From: Eric L	Respond to of 34857

re: The Handheld Game - Symbian v. the World >> Nokia, Rivals Square Off Against Handheld Computer Makers << quote.bloomberg.com. - Eric -

To: EJhonsa who wrote (10012)	3/23/2001 1:22:57 PM
From: mightylakers	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 34857

all those great conspiracy theories brandished by a group of investors in a certain company about Nokia wanting to intentionally delay the widespread proliferation of W-CDMA No kidding Group 3G is considering the deployment of GPRS in the 3G band. ----------------------------------- INTERVIEW-CeBIT-Group 3G eyes German GPRS cellphone entry By Kirstin Ridley and Hendrik Sackmann HANOVER, Germany, March 23 (Reuters) - Group 3G, the German cellphone start-up owned by Spanish carrier Telefonica (TEF.MAD) and Finland's Sonera (SRA1V.HEL), said on Friday it might make its market debut by piggy-backing over upgraded rival networks. Brushing aside analyst estimates that a high speed, new- generation cellphone network in Europe's biggest telecoms market could cost up to eight billion euros ($7 billion), Group 3G is eyeing transitional deals to bring its brand to market quickly. "We are not ruling out coming to market with GPRS," Chief Executive Ernst Folgmann, who only took the top job last month at the smallest of Germany's six mobile phone rivals, told Reuters at the CeBIT technology trade fair in Hanover. Companies hope new technologies such as General Packet Radio Service (GPRS) will help unlock potentially lucrative mobile Internet services -- and provide a litmus test for even faster, third-generation UMTS mobile services planned for 2002/3. Analysts and fund managers believe Group 3G, which has already spent 8.4 billion euros on a German UMTS licence, will struggle to build a profitable business without linking up with rivals -- especially as debt-strapped parent Sonera has called for more German partners to help share costs. Sonera, whose stock has plunged more than 80 percent over the last year, is battling the same investor scepticism over the huge financial commitments to third-generation mobile networks that is plaguing its European telecoms rivals. Compounding investor concerns, Japanese mobile customers -- who lead the world in mobile Internet use -- are far from satisfied with the service. Market research group Japan Gartner Group said on Friday half of those in their 20s and 30s were unhappy with the content and ease of use offered by their phone. KPN TALKS? Folgmann, whose company pulled a news conference at CeBIT because there was "no news", declined to comment on speculation that Telefonica and Dutch rival KPN Telecom (KPN.AMS) -- whose merger attempt was aborted last year -- were already in talks. But partly because of the cost of German mobile expansion -- given the country's sheer geographic size and the spectacular 50.8 billion euros paid for six UMTS licences last year -- the talk at CeBIT this year centres on cooperation to cut costs. Viag Interkom, the number four player owned by embattled British Telecommunications Plc (BT^A.LON), has already said it would open up its network to its rivals -- at the right price and if they had a "sufficiently large" customer base of their own. Folgmann said he was not restricted by German regulators from bringing to market so-called 2.5 generation GPRS services, which are billed to offer faster, "always on" mobile Internet services, despite only owning a third-generation licence. New GPRS phones, which top equipment suppliers such as Nokia (NOK1V.HEL), Ericsson (LME-B.STO) and Motorola (MOT) are unveiling, allow customers to use mobiles to browse the Web, check news, send e-mail and place orders for anything from pizzas to flight tickets. Group 3G, which now has 200 staff -- including 40 from Spain and 30 from Finland -- is moving headquarters to Munich from Frankfurt and says it is in talks with telecoms equipment vendors and planning a range of hi-tech mobile products and services for its market entry. Asked whether it can guarantee that it can keep to UMTS licence conditions, which demand that cellphone operators roll out their new networks to cover 25 percent of the population by 2003 and 50 percent by 2005, Folgmann said only: "We can handle that...We are a new entrant -- but every newcomer has advantages as well as disadvantages..." europeaninvestor.com\|LG=EN\|NID=3022741,00.html